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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 75132051" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I understand this. But what I cannot understand is how moral value is given to wisdom without God (without an independent reference point for what is morally right or good). Otherwise, you are borrowing from God's morality and therefore without this, you may as well say that Folly is the measure for what is morally right. </p><p></p><p>The fact people keep trying to ground values that support human wellbeing and happiness and that there is no naturalistic basis shows that we all know of God's objective morals intuitively. Some who choose not to believe God just happen to try and find other ways to ground morality but none really work. </p><p></p><p> That's not what I am calling science. It is the things like human happiness and wellbeing you say wisdom determines as morally good and use science to show are objective that I am questioning as to why these things equate to morality. Wisdom itself cannot be the reason as "what is wisdom" without God, without some independent basis. It would just be some abstract idea that has no justification for determining anything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 75132051, member: 342064"] I understand this. But what I cannot understand is how moral value is given to wisdom without God (without an independent reference point for what is morally right or good). Otherwise, you are borrowing from God's morality and therefore without this, you may as well say that Folly is the measure for what is morally right. The fact people keep trying to ground values that support human wellbeing and happiness and that there is no naturalistic basis shows that we all know of God's objective morals intuitively. Some who choose not to believe God just happen to try and find other ways to ground morality but none really work. That's not what I am calling science. It is the things like human happiness and wellbeing you say wisdom determines as morally good and use science to show are objective that I am questioning as to why these things equate to morality. Wisdom itself cannot be the reason as "what is wisdom" without God, without some independent basis. It would just be some abstract idea that has no justification for determining anything. [/QUOTE]
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