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Why should the world keep any aspect of you (or me) around for eternity?...I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
Why should the world keep any aspect of you (or me) around for eternity?
It seems like we're unreasonably clinging to "me" here. I know we invest a lot in building the "me" over our short lives. But nothing owes us a permanent return on that investment.
Well that's a matter of faith.Exactly, we are not owed or deserving of it. But God offers it to us anyway.
In pure materialism, death is permanent. It cancels out everything. If your value in life is X, your death and eventual fading into obscurity is -X. Add them together and you get 0.
Yes, That's why Beethoven hasn't had any impact at all since his death...
So you concede those things do have value. My point stands.
He'll be forgotten eventually.
They would be useless to you.
The first thing that crossed my mind is "what is the moral basis for atheists criticizing religion as bad". So they cannot really be nihilists if they use some sort of value to claim religion is bad. In fact, even though they don't realize it by making such as "truth" claim they are in fact supporting the idea of there being a moral lawgiver such as God.Some religious people claim that atheism, which is defined as a lack of belief in deity or deities, is inherently nihilistic. Since atheists come from all nationalities, races, socio-economic backgrounds, and indeed all walks of life, it is reasonable to say that making such a sweeping generalization of all atheists isn’t fair.
However, many atheists spend an inordinate amount of time criticizing religion. Visit any atheist blog on the internet, and there you won’t find one positive article on faith. It seems like everything they post is hostile towards religion. You’ll never see them post a link to a news story about Christians feeding the poor or being good people in general. The same can be said about atheist books: read any book from renowned atheists such as Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris, and all they have to say about religion is bad. In fact, the world's most famous blasphemy advocate Christopher Hitchens even wrote a book called How Religion Poisons Everything.
Since it seems like almost all atheists are hostile towards religion, particularly Christianity, which is an inherently peaceful faith that improves morals and provides eternal salvation for all believers, wouldn’t it make sense to think that atheism is inherently nihilistic? It’s not like you ever see atheists praising religion and talking about how good it is. If that is what they believed, they probably wouldn’t be atheists in the first place.
Still trying to understand why meaning is only real if its eternal.I also asked if anyone would remember you a million years from now.
There's other ways of arriving at values aside from divine-decree theory.The first thing that crossed my mind is "what is the moral basis for atheists criticizing religion as bad". So they cannot really be nihilists if they use some sort of value to claim religion is bad. In fact, even though they don't realize it by making such as "truth" claim they are in fact supporting the idea of there being a moral lawgiver such as God.
Nobody said anything about materialism, I said what I do TODAY matters today. You agree, thus my point stands.Not under pure materialism.
Perhaps the atheist himself is his own moral lawgiver.The first thing that crossed my mind is "what is the moral basis for atheists criticizing religion as bad". So they cannot really be nihilists if they use some sort of value to claim religion is bad. In fact, even though they don't realize it by making such as "truth" claim they are in fact supporting the idea of there being a moral lawgiver such as God.
Why does it matter if someone remembers you a million years from now?I also asked if anyone would remember you a million years from now.
Yes, that is possible but then that would not mean anything as far as a claim outside the person making the claim. If the person making the claim is protesting to someone and making claims that God and the bible or Christianity is bad then it wouldn't mean much to anyone who they are complaining to. So all that protesting is really meaningless as far as any "truth" claim being put out into the world. In that sense, you could say it was nihilistic when separated from the claimant.Perhaps the atheist himself is his own moral lawgiver.
Or at least conscious beings who are able to value morality, such as humans.The first thing that crossed my mind is "what is the moral basis for atheists criticizing religion as bad". So they cannot really be nihilists if they use some sort of value to claim religion is bad. In fact, even though they don't realize it by making such as "truth" claim they are in fact supporting the idea of there being a moral lawgiver such as God.
It depends on who he is complaining to. If he is complaining to someone who already has issues with the claims of the God of the Bible, or Christianity, it will reinforce their negative views they already have of Christianity which usually results in interest in what he is saying. I think Christians call that "preachin' to the Choir.Yes, that is possible but then that would not mean anything as far as a claim outside the person making the claim. If the person making the claim is protesting to someone and making claims that God and the bible or Christianity is bad then it wouldn't mean much to anyone who they are complaining to.
What do you mean by valuing morality? A conscious being can value morality but that doesn't mean what they value is morality as often value means different things to different people. Such as pain and pleasure or "likes and dislikes" which don't equate to morality so easily.Or at least conscious beings who are able to value morality, such as humans.
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