This actually takes fewer assertions, since you don't have to make up a bunch of stuff about gods to make the story work. We've seen natural processes do stuff before, but evidence for gods is conspicuously absent.
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Or an uncaused naturalistic process could have done it.
It relies on as many assertions as you're making. Neither have any prior evidence.
well it's about as likely that a tornado went through a junk yard and created a Boeing 747.
Thats a problem with the Bible, take it up with God.
okay how about a boeing 747 coming out of a tornado wrecked junk yard.
thats the evidence for design.
God provided the money
you assume the age dating factors of the Bible untrue. Adam was fully developed when he was created. Eve too. They were not embryos that had to grow to full state. Also the trees, they were created full grown. Why not create a world with age dating factors in it.
This actually takes fewer assertions, since you don't have to make up a bunch of stuff about gods to make the story work. We've seen natural processes do stuff before, but evidence for gods is conspicuously absent.
at least you are actually stating it's design. Most in this forum won't even do that. Which is quite ridiculous.
All you have to do is come up with a rational explanation of how something can come from nothing and you are home free. I doubt however, that you will be able to. Seeing as how it is logically impossible. Ex nihilo nihil fit. Parmenides. Maybe you have read of him before?
All you have to do is come up with a rational explanation of how something can come from nothing and you are home free. I doubt however, that you will be able to. Seeing as how it is logically impossible. Ex nihilo nihil fit. Parmenides. Maybe you have read of him before?
Would the mere assertion that an entity that has existed eternally is able to create stuff into being count as "rational explanation" by your standards?All you have to do is come up with a rational explanation of how something can come from nothing and you are home free.
Would the mere assertion that an entity that has existed eternally is able to create stuff into being count as "rational explanation" by your standards?
More rational than asserting that something can come from nothing; which is what must be ultimately accepted if one holds to the naturalistic explanation of the universe.
So "the universe has existed eternally" would count as a rational explanation, in your book?Very rational. More rational than asserting that something can come from nothing; which is what must be ultimately accepted if one holds to the naturalistic explanation of the universe.
So "the universe has existed eternally" would count as a rational explanation, in your book?
No, that need not be accepted. I don't believe that, and I don't recall any atheist in my experience arguing for that view.
Do you believe that God came from nothing?
eudaimonia,
Mark
How is that evidence for design?
Let me ask you this. Perhaps you've heard this one.
You are walking along a beach, and you happen across a working clock, which you pick up and examine. You ask yourself: was this clock designed? You decide that it almost certainly was, or how else could it be there? Could sand just spontaneously form into a clock?
So, you put the clock down, and notice it scurry away on little legs towards yet another clock. It mates with that clock...
The moral of the story is: it makes a great deal of difference to any issue of assembly just what sort of entity one is talking about. If it involves anything like replicating strands of DNA, then there might be a process of assembly that is not in any way like an airplane falling together.
eudaimonia,
Mark
No, your employer likely did.
Ultimately, the government and mint provided the money
What exactly are the odds of each event happening? I'd love to see your calculations of the probabilities of both events so we can double-check your work.
Why is god not responsible, since in your opinion we can trace the chain of causality all the way back to her? Seems that humans are just another in the long string of causes tracing all the way back to the alleged creation of the universe by this all-powerful agent so we're no more responsible than the laws of physics. Pretending otherwise is just special pleading - it shows you're being awfully selective is what you'll accept as a cause or not.
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