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I think Luther taught we CAN lose salvation. At least the Lutherans I know hold this view.
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Ephesians 2:8-9 is just a tiny piece of the message. Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn’t include Jesus’ message in John 15:1-10 that we must abide in Him does it? Or His message in Luke 13:6-9 that every tree that doesn’t bear fruit will be cut down. Yeah Luther had a good idea and a just cause for rebelling against the Roman Church. Unfortunately his theology was not correct. So far everyone who claims that a person cannot lose their salvation has failed to explain how John 15:6 can be possible. I mean Jesus said that this will happen and reformed advocates seem to skip over this verse and others.
In fact, this is just your opinion.Reconciled does in fact indicate salvation.
It is obvious that you do that.I think you make your own interpretations of scripture because few if any would agree with this assertion.
This is just so off base! There is no 'trade-off'.Here's the trade-off. If Christ died for all, and most are lost, he must not have paid for sin at all. It must come back to only those who are saved. Either he paid only for their sins only, or they saved themselves through self-righteous works the others did not perform.
In fact, this is just your opinion.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
And this followed v.14,15
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
So, go ahead and argue that only the "elect" died, from v.14.
It is obvious that you do that.
Yep. That's the common tactic of those who have no answers. Just ignore.Unproductive. Ignored.
This is just so off base! There is no 'trade-off'.
Calvinists wrongly think that it is Christ's death that saves people. But the Bible NEVER says that. It does say that salvation is by believing in Christ.
Why is it that Calvinists seem unable to understand this?
The core issue is free will. The council of Ephesus condemned Pelagianism (free will) as heresy in 431. Most churches today believe this heresy along with the Catholics. Possibly you too?
This is just so off base! There is no 'trade-off'.
Calvinists wrongly think that it is Christ's death that saves people. But the Bible NEVER says that. It does say that salvation is by believing in Christ.
Why is it that Calvinists seem unable to understand this?
So, what have you proved lately?Says, the guy who doesn`t know what reconciled means.
Ephesians 2:8-9 is just a tiny piece of the message. Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn’t include Jesus’ message in John 15:1-10 that we must abide in Him does it? Or His message in Luke 13:6-9 that every tree that doesn’t bear fruit will be cut down. Yeah Luther had a good idea and a just cause for rebelling against the Roman Church. Unfortunately his theology was not correct. So far everyone who claims that a person cannot lose their salvation has failed to explain how John 15:6 can be possible. I mean Jesus said that this will happen and reformed advocates seem to skip over this verse and others.
Then explain Iconology, Purgatorial sanctification, veneration of statues, the whole Marianist mess, the falsehood the a priest can absolve for SIN, and many other clearly NON-Biblical beliefs shared to some degree among Catholics. You Decry "Paganism" until you re-shape into your own tradition, and start to serve it.
Nope, the HOLY SPIRIT is the life of the CHurch, and HE's been around all through the catastrophic foolishness that the visible church went through, and God has always drawn people to CHrist - IN SPITE of the visible church, and more recently more because of it. Martin Luther was God's PROHET to the Roman Catholic Church in a time when the Roman Catholic system had essentially forgotten what Christianity was even all about with their pagan teachings, and worthless rituals. The Visible church has been rebuilding line upon line, and precept ever since. The Charismatic outpouring of the '70s was the latest "Season of Refreshing", that brought MANY Roman Catholics into real salvation.
The "Orthodox Denominations" have always been closer to genuine Biblical teaching, and haven't followed ROme's pagan excesses. but the Orthodox still cover up the utter simplicity of the gospel with layers of tradition, and ceremonial fluff.
Says both of them to my knowledge.
I explained it to you. You just won`t accept the truth.
I was saved when God created me. The only hope I ever had was he.Are you saved when you're
Called
Called and Chosen
Called, Chosen and Faithful
Some believe once saved always saved, with some scripture to suggest this. Some believe they can lose salvation, with some scripture to suggests this. I do not wish to argue, debate over this, just your thoughts on the above question, whichever side you're on.
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him
We no longer look to be served. We look to serve and give our lives for others. No longer fight for privilege, influence and status. We esteem others better than ourselves and put their interests above our own.
Peace be with all those in the body of Christ
The bishop of Rome held a position of primacy in honor not authority. That was the dispute.
Not held, holds. The only thing in dispute is the Pope's authority over the EO. His primacy in honor is already acknowledged by them. I`m talking about today not 1000 years ago.
I find it hard to believe that the EOC holds the pope in highest honor among the patriarchates while at the some time not in communion with him.
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