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Sez who?Will someone define Christian?
(And the Nicene creed does NOT define Christian by the way)
WHAT? What is wrong with treating PEOPLE like....say...um PEOPLE! And stop 'labeling' them good enough or not. What the heck? I didn't say anything about that. But freedom to move around the forums is what is wanted on both sides..so that is cool. BUT why can't there be ONE little bitty part for Christians who want to fellowship there...I don't see the difficutly. It is a ton of people coming on yapping about seperation and 'class' of people. Sorry, but I don't see it that way. I see people as they are...people. HOW hard is this? It isn't rocket science.Soooo if you go some place and hang out for a while and then find out you are good enough to be there to get preached at but are to evil to be anything more then a second class citizen there, would you go "wow, that makes me want to become one of them!"?
tulc(sort of doubts it)
Well, if it's just a forum, then why not change the name to something more appropriate, like "Secular forums" or "Religion Forums"?This is NOT a Ministry - it is a Forum.
There can be a Ministry side to that - on certain boards for instance - but it is not a Ministry per se.
Will someone tell me why this doesn't seem a blatant attempt by the old well known Mod cliques to enforce their version of Christianity down everyones throats?
They want a return to the "old ways" not for some ministering message but for the almost police state level of powers complete with baiting sockpuppets and Warning/Banning power.
I see how we already have the no Mormons as Mods comment a couple of times.
Sez who?
The name should stay. But I voted option 1. I don't like your options at all.
There can be enough rules in place to keep Christians "safe" and enough wiggle room to allow for discussion of other beliefs as well. People come here primarily to discuss Christan themes, debate things, and talk to people who share their beliefs. Expanding the site to allow for things like non-Christian mods and more open communication does nothing to change that. Really, the only difference I see here, in the "new cf" are all the threads [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing about change....everywhere else is basically the same ol same ol. It may be hurting people's pride or stepping on a few toes to have a reorganization like this but most members don't seem concerned. Most don't write Wiki's or even vote in polls like this because it hasn't effected them or why they come here.
Bottom line is, if option two means this site will be run exactly how it was 2 months ago, complete with overly restrictive rules and mods who warn, issue infractions, cannabalize threads or delete them altogether, and ban anyone for acting in a way they decide is "unchristain"...well you can have it.
I've skipped about 20 pages and probably won't have time to catch up today. Can anyone tell me if Erwin has clarified what "Christians only" means?
Are those voting for option #2 voting for the explusion of non-Christians (and does that include non-Nicene affirming followers of Christ)? Are they voting for things to go back to exactly what they were before the reforms? Are they voting for allowing whatever the board defines as non-Christians to stay but in an even more restrictive environment than what we had before the reforms?
Or does it matter?
I've skipped about 20 pages and probably won't have time to catch up today. Can anyone tell me if Erwin has clarified what "Christians only" means?
Are those voting for option #2 voting for the explusion of non-Christians (and does that include non-Nicene affirming followers of Christ)? Are they voting for things to go back to exactly what they were before the reforms? Are they voting for allowing whatever the board defines as non-Christians to stay but in an even more restrictive environment than what we had before the reforms?
Says the world?Says the world. To use a faith statement as a definition is stupidity.
For instance - I don't think you really have to be a Trinitarian to be a Christian. I am - but I don't consider that a litmus test.
Well, if it's just a forum, then why not change the name to something more appropriate, like "Secular forums" or "Religion Forums"?
A forum doesn't exclude the title of ministry.Well it's not Christian Ministry is it??????????????
Did you bother to read what I said? I mentioned that you could have a Ministering boards(s) but CF was called Forums for a reason.
Says the world?
A faith statement is essentially what Christianity is, and has always been about. Faith can always be communicated clearly, because it implies trust in something external to yourself.
Yes I do. That's my point. Biblically, I see CF as an opportunity of the Great Commission.
I want to see people biblically to CF keep out the Great Commission.
Yes.. I need biblical support for EACH.
A forum doesn't exclude the title of ministry.
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