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It's those with the extreme attitudes (in all directions) that need to be dissuaded from holding moderator positions. This is a truism whatever religious beliefs any may hold.
Sounds like a good argument for keeping moderation and ministry formally separate. If mods have no need to proselytize in an official capacity, making it clear that their duties are janitorial, not ministerial, ought to remove that temptation.
Make no mistake, I am here to do both. My primary mission is to strengthen the faith of those that are faltering, spread faith to those that are seeking, and lastly, to help facilitate fruitful conversation between they who's opinions differ. If my capacity to do #1 or #2 is compromised by #3, I will give up # 3 in a heartbeat. If this site is changed fundamentally so that #1 and #2 are meaningless, there are an abundance of other places online to ply my trade.Sounds like a good argument for keeping moderation and ministry formally separate. If mods have no need to proselytize in an official capacity, making it clear that their duties are janitorial, not ministerial, ought to remove that temptation.
How can those in charge of the ministry not be witnesses? If they do not believe Jesus is God, then how can they fulfill the desires of the ministry? They can't!I didn't say that CF isn't, or shouldn't be, a ministry. Merely that the moderators don't need to be ministering.
How so? How is it "the way of man" to ensure that a Christian ministry actually remains just that...a Christian ministry?
I don't think anyone is saying we need to revert to exactly the way things were before the 7-7-7 reforms. I know I and many others have applauded the underlying principle of encouraging more interaction between Christians and non-believers, and that is something I would like to see going forward. But the fact is that the present means of attempting to accomplish that principle are not justified so long as CF continues to view itself as a ministry.
Christian ministries are run by Christians, guided by Christians and seek to bring the Gospel to those who are NOT Christians. CF in its present state is run by Christians and non-believers, guided by Christians and non-believers, and is telling some non-believers that they are Christians (and by implication don't need the Gospel).
I assure you that is NOT the side you want to be standing on when "the doomsday book is written." Please do not stand there and imply that those of us who want to preserve this as a Christian ministry are concerned with separating ourselves from "those who are found unworthy." The whole point of ministry is taking the Gospel to those who are in need, but compromising that Gospel in order to do so will ultimately end in failure.
I wish to see this continue as a Christian ministry.
When you look back at History....most of the people God has used to spread his word and teachings, are people that you would not consider to be Christian or believers in God at all.
Womanisers like Sampson
Drunks
Liars
People who tried to run away (and got swallowed by a whale)
Even the persecutors of the Faithfull in Christ Jesus, as was the case with Saul of Tarsus.
This forum is a called to be a drawing point for non believers....or it would not have under gone change in the first place.... who is it that Draws men to Christ ?
His will be done !
Peace
i disagree, respectfully.Aaaah... that is what some would think, but... many people come to CF searching and sincerely seeking and the first people they will turn to is a moderator and thus... being a moderator is not only janitorial, but also ministerial... it's a combo platter. Also, there will be Christians who are struggling and they will seek out a moderator to ask questions and request prayers.
So, being a moderator is 2 things... that go hand n hand... janitorial and ministerial. That is why only Christians should be moderators. But at the same time, those who are not Christians should still be able to serve CF in some other capacity. Why? Because all of us who are apart of this community should serve in some capacity or another.
P.S.: You ROCK!
I wasn't speaking hypothetically. In the long run, who cares about $40.00 a year. For me, its the principle of the thing, and what I believe to be a Godly obligation to be a good steward of the resources with which I have been blessed.
Aaaah... that is what some would think, but... many people come to CF searching and sincerely seeking and the first people they will turn to is a moderator and thus... being a moderator is not only janitorial, but also ministerial... it's a combo platter. Also, there will be Christians who are struggling and they will seek out a moderator to ask questions and request prayers.
So, being a moderator is 2 things... that go hand n hand... janitorial and ministerial. That is why only Christians should be moderators. But at the same time, those who are not Christians should still be able to serve CF in some other capacity. Why? Because all of us who are apart of this community should serve in some capacity or another.
P.S.: You ROCK!
depends on which forum one moderates.. moderated in theology and did not see ministering by mods, we usually called a site chaplain to minister to someone who seemed in need. The faith icon checks was always a problem for me, now this is away with. A good thingI didn't say that CF isn't, or shouldn't be, a ministry. Merely that the moderators don't need to be ministering.
Sounds like a good argument for keeping moderation and ministry formally separate. If mods have no need to proselytize in an official capacity, making it clear that their duties are janitorial, not ministerial, ought to remove that temptation.
ANd for those who have signed on to the first premise and contributed to the financial well-being of what was advertised to us as what you've indicated, can we make a case to have our money refunded? If the premise of this site were changed, it would be exemplary of a classic bait and switch.
When you look back at History....most of the people God has used to spread his word and teachings, are people that you would not consider to be Christian or believers in God at all.
Womanisers like Sampson
Drunks
Liars
People who tried to run away (and got swallowed by a whale)
Even the persecutors of the Faithfull in Christ Jesus, as was the case with Saul of Tarsus.
This forum is a called to be a drawing point for non believers....or it would not have under gone change in the first place.... who is it that Draws men to Christ ?
His will be done !
Peace
Aaaah... that is what some would think, but... many people come to CF searching and sincerely seeking and the first people they will turn to is a moderator and thus... being a moderator is not only janitorial, but also ministerial... it's a combo platter. Also, there will be Christians who are struggling and they will seek out a moderator to ask questions and request prayers.
So, being a moderator is 2 things... that go hand n hand... janitorial and ministerial. That is why only Christians should be moderators. But at the same time, those who are not Christians should still be able to serve CF in some other capacity. Why? Because all of us who are apart of this community should serve in some capacity or another.
Oh, now that definitely deserves some cookies.P.S.: You ROCK!
QFT!sparklecat ROCKS as mod!
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