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now that was a good answer Meek One ..subscribing too...until Christ comes.
One of the last times I had someone offer prayers in regard to this site it was a Christian staff member who was praying that the abuses of nonChristians here would stop.Praying for Erwin.
One of the last times I had someone offer prayers in regard to this site it was a Christian staff member who was praying that the abuses of nonChristians here would stop.
Now I'm seeing Christians praying and voting that the abuses will continue. If God actually existed would he act on the majority vote? Would he act in accordance with his concept of morality? Why ask God to do anything if even Christians can't agree on what he should do?
I think Erwin has some pretty good ideas. The problem is, every time he tries to place those ideas into practice, it's the Christians who beat him down. And the unfortunate truth is that the old misinterpretation of the flaming rule hasn't been corrected which means that no one is even allowed to call it what it is, as defined by Websters.
How can anyone suggest that Christianity represents truth when the truth isn't allowed to be spoken (or written)?
Erwin said:1. To me CF is more than just a website, it is also a ministry, and this vision is something that only Christians understand and appreciate.
2. All our rules and policies, though it may appear generic, have foundations in Christian doctrine and the Bible.
3. This site is Christian forums and although non-Christians are welcome, the target audience is still Christians.
4. A large majority of Christian members will not submit to being moderated by non-Christians.
All of the above points can be challenged and counter-arguments brought forth, but this policy will not change while I remain webmaster.
You might wish to think about why it is that Christians expect non-Christians to submit to their moderation in accordance with forum rules (once established and properly understood), yet those very same Christians won't "submit" to being moderated by non-Christians. Doesn't that sound a bit like they think they're too good to be moderated by non-Christians, even if the same rules and standards are applied?Lets see here, what was it that came out of Erwins mouth:
28th March 2006, 09:22 PM
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Seems to me, that I remember reading somewhere:
"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." -Matt. 5:37 (KJV)
And I also remember reading somewhere that if a person says one thing, and does another:
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." -Jas. 1:8 (KJV)
Seems to me that he said the policy would no change as long as he was web master.
Jesus said that if you make a promise, to keep it. (Matt. 5:33)
So who here is being: "unstable in all his ways.?"
Think on that!
God Bless
Till all are one.
Do you mean that a person should never change their mind about anything?Lets see here, what was it that came out of Erwins mouth:
28th March 2006, 09:22 PM
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Seems to me, that I remember reading somewhere:
"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." -Matt. 5:37 (KJV)
And I also remember reading somewhere that if a person says one thing, and does another:
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." -Jas. 1:8 (KJV)
Seems to me that he said the policy would no change as long as he was web master.
Jesus said that if you make a promise, to keep it. (Matt. 5:33)
So who here is being: "unstable in all his ways.?"
Think on that!
God Bless
Till all are one.
Then you probably aren't aware of, and have no first-hand experience of the abuses which have plagued this site at the hands of a small few of the Christian staff members.holy: My humble opinion, buried deep in this (multiple) thread ---I am really lost as to why this whole system changed in the first place?
Which, if you were familiar with what was going on, is simply a vote to continue anti-Christian behaviors and tactics. It seems almost certain that the dark curtains of secrecy cast over this place was effective in keeping you unaware of what has been going on.I believe it should go back to where it was before.
The problem was never so much the lack of such areas, but the actions of those appointed to oversee those areas. We were given an area and told we could debate. But if certain staff members didn't like what was said, they'd simply blow away whole posts and even whole threads. This was sometimes done with such total disregard for the rules governing such actions that the same staff members who engaged in these actions would later lie about it, and even issue warnings and infractions against those who tried to bring their actions into the public eye.Have areas for open fellowship, and sub-categories for liberal or not so liberal in thought if needed.
That may be the ideal but such ideals can't be forced. You can perhaps mask things to look like people are being "nice" but behind that iron curtain of shear force you create such animosity and turbulence that any such system will eventually crumble.The main forum for each denomination is also open and those whom participate need to play nice.
The concept of hate crimes seems to be one of the more creative twists ever to be levied onto the public. Can someone please explain to me why we find the motive more important than the actions? Is it worse for me to try to bring harm to someone because I hate them than because I find harming people to be entertaining? (Neither is the case, this is just hypothetical.) Society needs to pull out their proverbial nose-ring and start leading themselves rather than latching onto concepts and ideas that just really make no sense.Such as a Baptist form; then Liberal, and Conservative (should cover everything short of Fred Phelps – this should not be allowed and considered a hate crime!).
The promotion of segregation. Tell me, as a Christian do you find it more appropriate to try to get along with people, even if they have differing beliefs, or to separate everyone out into smaller and smaller groups such as has occurred with Christianity in the 38,000 some-odd denominations which now exist?If Calvinism needs a corner – give it to them. If Anabaptists want to participate in the main Baptist or other forums it is OK, if not they too should have their own corner for fellowship.
Bingo! That's exactly it! So why should a "Christian Forum" cater to such segregation and exclusion?I have been in that place where I wish to be around like minded; however, as Christians I do not believe we are taught to restrict ourselves to that.
Which is exactly what should be going on here. The problem is that many of the Christians here, (apparently the majority), believe they should be setting up their own little kingdoms and once established, should busy themselves with head-hunting missions where they weed out those of differing beliefs and ideas with an ever-tightening set of criteria. The first day atheists are the target. After that are non-Christian theists. Then Christians begin attacking other Christians. It's the same pattern the Christian church as a whole has taken which is largely why it no longer exists "as a whole".We are to go out into the world and do whatever God sets before us. In fact, I have grown many times from getting out amongst those whom DON’T think like I do it either solidifies my belief, or teaches me that I have some learning to do..
I would disagree. I think Christians should have a very few areas where non-Christians are not allowed. I also think the non-Christians should have at least one area where Christians are not allowed and the reason for that is simple; it exemplifies what is being touted as a Christian value, but demonstrated to be one most Christians here don't value -- the ability to recognize the rights and values of others, even when they don't agree with you. Chances are that would be one of the least popular areas of the forum but should exist as we claim this to be a community. No true community should ever play favoritism to any particular group. What you provide for one side, you must provide to the other.All-in-all, the Main categorical forums should be for fellowship amongst all within the forum (and or others), then sub forum for those whom wish to keep to themselves. For those dogmatic conversations, they too should have their own forum to “fight it out” in.
This house has been falling for a long, long time. Erwin is trying to prop it up. But it is the Christians -- his own Christian "brothers and sisters", who resist his attempts to bring Christian values into practice here and demand to have things as they wish, even though Erwin made it clear that his desired and proposed changes of July 7th were consistent with biblical scripture. The majority of Christians here are demonstrating that they don't care about attempts to find consistency with biblical scripture. They care about being in control, practicing biased and prejudicial behaviors over others and keeping the very same values they dub "Christian", out of their "Christian Forum".A house divided will fall.
Then you probably aren't aware of, and have no first-hand experience of the abuses which have plagued this site at the hands of a small few of the Christian staff members.
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