Why do you imagine I was making a value judgement? It was more an observation that you were probably talking about 2 different things.
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Every understanding that I have, has come from challenging what it proposes. Including the divinity of Christ. Including the Existance of God. Everything. I am prepared to challenge everything until it is proven true, rendered false, or undeterminable. I fail to see what is bad about that. If I wasn't prepared to challenge, or if I did not, i would not be a Christian today.
likely. We usually are!Why do you imagine I was making a value judgement? It was more an observation that you were probably talking about 2 different things.
Why would my son ask me why its not okay to go chase his ball out into the street? Am I being arbitrary and trying to lord my authority over him, or am I using my position of authority to help protect, nurture, and develop my son until he can take care of himself?right... but that still doesn't explain why you would question what you trust as perfect.
You stated it's ok to question, again I ask why you would bother?
like newtolife suggests, we are talking about two different things.Why would my son ask me why its not okay to go chase his ball out into the street? Am I being arbitrary and trying to lord my authority over him, or am I using my position of authority to help protect, nurture, and develop my son until he can take care of himself?
I have a 15 year old daughter. You think all of her questions are for information or clarification. I will guarantee you that many our exchanges have to do with her questioning the validity of my decisions.like newtolife suggests, we are talking about two different things.
asking for an explanation is one thing, actively challenging the veracity of a claim is another.
I'm sure the first is alright within the RCC... the second, not so much.
and? what if they are not new? the RCC maintaining a stiff neck about what it teaches hardly proves that it has everything right.I have a 15 year old daughter. You think all of her questions are for information or clarification. I will guarantee you that many our exchanges have to do with her questioning the validity of my decisions.
"You just don't understand...."
"Things are different now...."
"You don't know what's best for me..."
Hmmm, sounds like the challenges I made to my parents when I was a kid. And I'll bet that my parents challenged my grandparents with the very same things. Truth of the matter, none of the "arguements" that you have against Church authority and teachings are new. They are as old as the Church itself.
right... but that still doesn't explain why you would question what you trust as perfect.
You stated it's ok to question, again I ask why you would bother?
Do you consider the Supreme Court "stiff necked" about its right to interpret the Constitution?and? what if they are not new? the RCC maintaining a stiff neck about what it teaches hardly proves that it has everything right.
however, you kind of skipped the point I made. You cannot question (challange) any teaching of the RCC.
Do you consider the Supreme Court "stiff necked" about its right to interpret the Constitution?
All we have to do is obey and as we grow, we will gain the wisdom we need but it will never come if we are obstinate and full of our own pride. standing in our own way. .
for humility.
But God is our final authority right?
God is the Alpha and the Omega.for humility.
But God is our final authority right?
God is the Alpha and the Omega.
That said, who was the ultimate authority when Pharoah gave his ring and his seal to Joseph?
Was Joseph's authority his own, or was it derived from Pharoah's authority?
It was given the keys, another biblical symbol of authority ......now if we can just find where RCC was given "ring and seal" we'll be all set! (yes, I know Scott.... Paradigms.)
Amen!God is the Alpha and the Omega.
They keys are not what we need to do.. Jesus still has the keys in His hands in Revelation. But Jesus does not open a door He opens a book.. If your name is not written the Lambs book of life then you are not in. Preaching the gospel is the key that was given to the Apostles.. Believing on the Lord Jesus and being born again gets you written in the book.. This comes by hearing the Gospel..The keys to heaven given, were the keys to get into to heaven. These keys are the teachings of Christ, the Apostles and the Church. These keys are what we must do to get to heaven.
The keys to heaven given, were the keys to get into to heaven. These keys are the teachings of Christ, the Apostles and the Church. These keys are what we must do to get to heaven.
See that's the problem with the 'keys'They keys are not what we need to do.. Jesus still has the keys in His hands in Revelation. But Jesus does not open a door He opens a book.. If your name is not written the Lambs book of life then you are not in. Preaching the gospel is the key that was given to the Apostles.. Believing on the Lord Jesus and being born again gets you written in the book.. This comes by hearing the Gospel..
And one more:14 [19] The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Isaiah 22:15-25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebnah as master of the palace, is given "the key of the house of David," which he authoritatively "opens" and "shuts" (Isaiah 22:22). Whatever you bind . . . loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone. In Matthew 18:18 all the disciples are given the power of binding and loosing, but the context of that verse suggests that there the power of excommunication alone is intended. That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven and that Peter's exercise of authority in the church on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of, the church and the kingdom of heaven.
16:19. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
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Loose on earth... The loosing the bands of temporal punishments due to sins, is called an indulgence; the power of which is here granted.
They keys are not what we need to do.. Jesus still has the keys in His hands in Revelation. But Jesus does not open a door He opens a book.. If your name is not written the Lambs book of life then you are not in. Preaching the gospel is the key that was given to the Apostles.. Believing on the Lord Jesus and being born again gets you written in the book.. This comes by hearing the Gospel..
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