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What is there profession of Faith? What do they believe? What are the specific things that every one of it's members must believe, to be able to truthfully be able to tag UU to their beliefs?
We must affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of every person.

Edit: Maize beat me to it! But we don't actually use the 'Seven Principles' in that way in British Unitarianism (although we'd probably still agree with them).
 
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To make things even more confusing, I've seen UUs argue that since this is what the churches/congregations AS ENTITIES covenant to, only the churches themselves are bound to do this, and individual UUs are free to believe otherwise as they see fit.
 
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Thank you for this wonderful explanation. Thank you!!!
 
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Very true what you said there. Unitarians as a whole believe in freedom of thought, we belong to a creedless church.

However ( and I hope you will not see this as highjacking your wonderful thread, Maize ) as far as Christian Unitarians (CU) are concerned, we believe that

  • God is One, undivided and not a trinity as many other Christians believe;
  • CU believe that Jesus was a God-inspired man and not divine, and that the bible, while created by men, was nontheless God inspired;
  • finally the Holy Spirit is widely perceived as urging menkind on to do good and selfless deeds and thus manifest itself.
What UU and UC have in common mainly is the believe in a non-trinitarian God who with many UU has a different position of import as with many CU
 
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I think what you described here is the difference between Christian Unitarians and Unitarian Universalists!
 
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Main Entry: in·her·ent
Pronunciation: in-'hir-&nt, in-'her-
Function: adjective
: involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature.

IOW, we were born with it. We were not born flawed, inadequate, or responsible for the mistakes or flaws of our ancestors. Each of us is worthy and dignified in our own right, and we should strive to recognize that in others.
 
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Druweid said:
IOW, we were born with it. We were not born flawed, inadequate, or responsible for the mistakes or flaws of our ancestors. Each of us is worthy and dignified in our own right, and we should strive to recognize that in others.

Thank you Druweid! (I didn't recognize what Catholicism was asking.)
 
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Rae said:
To make things even more confusing, I've seen UUs argue that since this is what the churches/congregations AS ENTITIES covenant to, only the churches themselves are bound to do this, and individual UUs are free to believe otherwise as they see fit.
Yes that is true. Thank you for making that point so I can clear something up. You do not have to agree with all seven of the principles to be a UU. In fact, the principles are not "binding" on individual persons at all. They are, in fact, only binding on UU Congregations as a whole. Look at the preface to them...

We, the member congregations of the Unitarian Universalist Association, covenant to affirm and promote

We, the member congregations.... the principles are not binding on individuals, though most UU's have taken them to heart. But, for the individual, the right to disagree is written even into the principles....

The right of conscience

The principles are only binding on congregations, not on individuals. If a congregation were to, say, call for and end to democracy in America, they would be removed from the Association.

For the individual, the line is drawn as to whether or not you are a UU by whether or not you abide by the covenant you are in with your local UU Congregaion (or the Church of the Larger Fellowship, if there is no UU Church near you). No individual can be a member of the UUA, only congregations. Individuals are members of independent churches. The full name of our denomination is the "Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations". We are a free association of independent and interdependent churches.
 
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Maize said:
Anyone want to ask me anything else?
Well, not a question, but some news.

My girlfriend (formerly, a non-specific Protestant)and I have recently become members of the local UU Church. Some of it is somewhat new to her, but so far, she really seems to enjoy it.

She really doesn't have what I would call a 'strong' grasp of religion, but rather likes having the leeway to explore any and all possibilities. She's also of a mind to not judge other people for their beliefs, as long as they are basically 'good peoples.' And yes, some of the information provided by Maize and Rochir was very helpful in making this decision. Thank you all!

Regards,
-- Druweid
 
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