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Do you have any qualifications in any field related to evolution? Biology, genetics, etc?
Is this the requirement in order for someone to understand evolution?
Do I have to be qualified first? In which case, there is no need for any one here to teach me...because regardless, there still IS a starting point for every created being...and science can NOT go back that far...science can ONLY study what physical matter they have presently before them..they can´t go back to the very beginning and starting point.

Yet, scientists KNOW there was a beginning and starting point...which is why they have their hypotheses, and guesses on how it all began.

But again, these are only suggestions, and ideas, and thoughts, and hypotheses and guesses...
 
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If you are unqualified and say it's wrong, but someone who IS qualified says it is right, why should I agree with you instead of the qualified person?

And if you are unqualified, you can't really say that you aren't ignorant of the topic.
 
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If you are unqualified and say it's wrong, but someone who IS qualified says it is right, why should I agree with you instead of the qualified person?

And if you are unqualified, you can't really say that you aren't ignorant of the topic.
With that said, please take your same theory and apply it to those who are qualified and have told you that there is a GOD and the GOSPEL is the TRUTH...
 
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ha Kylie, you made a claim and I asked you to provide an answer to that claim. You can't explain it due to the fact that you don't know the subject and I most certainly don't need YOU to teach me anything as I have had a very good education in the subject. I think the problem lies with you mistaking your arrogance for intellect.
 
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With that said, please take your same theory and apply it to those who are qualified and have told you that there is a GOD and the GOSPEL is the TRUTH...

The difference is that when scientists tell me about evolution, what the first one tells me is the same as what the second, third, fourth, fifth, etc tell me. They are all in complete agreement.

When one believer tells me about Christianity, it's not the same as what the second person tells me, which is different again to what the third person tells me. Also, I'm not aware of anyone who has studied God. They've only studied the Bible or whatever their religion's holy text is. And by far the majority of religious leaders in the world tell me that Christianity is not true, so perhaps you're onto something and I should believe them!
 
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You have a very good education in the subject? Please tell me what qualifications you have?

And you kept moving the goalposts so nothing I tried to tell you was what you were actually asking. That shows me that you are just wasting my time.
 
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I have done this many times when I was a christian. I begged with tears for god to show me he is real. I guess God wanted me to be an atheist becasue he never revealed himself in a concrete way to me in 18 years of being a christian.
I have been a Christian my whole life and God has never revealed himself to me in a concrete way either. Why? It might help to consider what C.S. Lewis wrote in one of his books, The Screwtape Letters, one side of a fictional correspondence between two demons, which is why God is referred to as 'the Enemy' and 'Our Father' is Satan. Thus he refers to good things as bad and vice versa.
Anyway, here's a link to chapter 8. The first few paragraphs mightn't be relevant but it won't entirely make sense if you don't read the whole thing anyway.
The Screwtape Letters, Chapter 8

Although I've never yet been certain I've felt God's presence or heard from Him, there's still evidence for His existence: Five reasons to believe Jesus rose from the dead - Adam4d.com
 
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You mean to tell me that these believers , these....CHRISTIAN believers....don´t mention JESUS?
 
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God isn't torturing anyone. He wants all to be saved and made a way for them to be saved.
He gave rules because he knows what people like to do can have dire consequences either to health, emotional or spiritual well being.
Can you tell me how two consenting adults having homosexual sex is any different health wise, emotionally or spiritually than consenting heterosexual sex within a marriage?

Well you're the one who believes in evolution. If there is no God and everything just made itself then yes humans are animals.
I agree we are animals, I disagree that we are "just" animals as you said before.

This all may be true but that does not mean a god exists.

I believe God created us in his image and gave us both spirit and soul that sets us apart from all the animals.
Ok, I just think you believe on insufficient evidence.

If God does not exist as you seem to feel then you are back to mankind being just an animal that arrived through chance random processes.
No I don't. I do believe humans are animals but evolution is not a complete chance random process. I know what you mean though.

So what should we do if God does not exist?

Nice but this says nothing about the existence of a god. This is again just you not liking the implications of god not existing.

Well then God got it wrong because it does not convince me.


No, it is not the same thing. A crack addiction is not who they are it is an addiction that I can define as bad because it has terrible consequences and negatively affects his well being. If my son was homosexual that is part of who he is and you cannot hate the homosexual sin without hating the person as well. It actually will increase his well being.


I have seen the affects of gods morality, some good but some bad as well. Christians cannot decide on what that morality is and often times when applied it hurts people just as above when you say homosexuality is a sin. What if god said that being female was a sin and we should love you but hate that you are a female. How would that feel?

These don't apply to healthy homosexual relationships.

Then you do think it is your business. Biblical marriage is far from one man one woman. Jesus may have said that but that is not how it was practiced in the OT.
 
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In fact sir, from your original post, it seemed that you were hoping that someone COULD...change your mind...
No, I was hoping God could say something to convince me. A couple people said they would but none have had a word from God yet.
 
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No, I was hoping God could say something to convince me. A couple people said they would but none have had a word from God yet.
But how will you believe if you do not have the evidence to support it?
 
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No, I was hoping God could say something to convince me. A couple people said they would but none have had a word from God yet.

Why should anyone pray for some special empirical arrangement from God that the New Testament writers have indicated God isn't interested in giving to most of us?

I'll just tell you flat out: I'll pray for you, but I'm not going to pray strictly for what YOU WANT! I'm going to pray for what God wants you to have in your case.
 
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You have a very good education in the subject? Please tell me what qualifications you have?
You see I don't even need to ask what qualifications you have because your answers seem to just parrot information that you personally don't know anything about.

And you kept moving the goalposts so nothing I tried to tell you was what you were actually asking. That shows me that you are just wasting my time.
This just proves my point. You don't know enough about the material to understand what you were asked and why. I told you why your answers were not correct in relation to the question and had you known the material you would have known that. Which is fine, not everyone is well versed in every subject that is discussed. However, I find from reading other posts to other posters you usually put on this air of superiority, as if you are so much more knowledgeable than your simple minded counterpart.
 
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Perfect. I agree.
 
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I have read this book before. This is just encouraging to believe without evidence. I can believe Allah exists without evidence too. Also, showing us he exists will not override our free will. We could still choose to follow him or not but at least it would be an informed decision.

Although I've never yet been certain I've felt God's presence or heard from Him, there's still evidence for His existence: Five reasons to believe Jesus rose from the dead - Adam4d.com
These evidences heavily rely on the bible which I am not convinced can be treated as a reliable source.
 
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But how will you believe if you do not have the evidence to support it?
Bingo! This is why I do not believe. But could God not convince me in some way? Could he provide the evidence I would need to be convinced?
 
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Do whatever floats your boat.
 
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That is a pretty poor system then when other Christians need to threaten others to make them believe.
You know I've been doing this for at least 25 years and I have never made issue of hell or "threatened" anyone. However, with what is happening right now in the world it is imperative that unbelievers know that the time is short and this is not a game. Those who are against God will risk their eternal being. I don't make the rules but God wants everyone to be aware of what this is all about.
 
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