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How much can we say with certainty about things posited to be transcendent?
Not much, IMO. With respect to the subject at hand, there are those who would insist that I am not Atheist; since I am unwilling to claim with absolute certainty that there is no God. Call me what you like. It is my position that the likelihood of the existence of a God as depicted in most religions is very low.
 
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Why did you post this in the philosophy forum?
As you can see I am new here, can you suggest a more appropriate place? I wouldn't be offended if a mod moved the thread.
Also, are you a strong or weak atheist?
What do you mean by that?
 
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Not much, IMO. With respect to the subject at hand, there are those who would insist that I am not Atheist; since I am unwilling to claim with absolute certainty that there is no God. Call me what you like. It is my position that the likelihood of the existence of a God as depicted in most religions is very low.

I agree with your last sentence.

In regards to the rest, I would suggest agnosticism is a better label if that is how you feel. I would suggest that "not much" is probably overstating things a bit - I think "nothing at all" would be close to the mark :thumbsup:
 
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As you can see I am new here, can you suggest a more appropriate place? I wouldn't be offended if a mod moved the thread.

The Non-Christian Religion forum would probably be the best. Chances are either a mod will move it there or it'll get left alone.

What do you mean by that?

Very broadly speaking, there are two groups of atheists. One group is the agnostic/weak atheists (like me), who lack a belief in any god but cannot be sure whether they exist or not. The other group is the gnostic/strong atheists, who know that no gods exist.

It's a very vague grouping, but which group would you agree with more?
 
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Very broadly speaking, there are two groups of atheists. One group is the agnostic/weak atheists (like me), who lack a belief in any god but cannot be sure whether they exist or not. The other group is the gnostic/strong atheists, who know that no gods exist.

It's a very vague grouping, but which group would you agree with more?
Sure, I reckon it is pretty arrogant to make such a claim as "There is definitely no ..." and that of the people who make such statements, few are worth listening to. They haven't any way to know. So I probably agree more with the "agnostic/weak atheist" That said, I am firmly anti-religion with few exceptions.
 
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Sure, I reckon it is pretty arrogant to make such a claim as "There is definitely no ..." and that of the people who make such statements, few are worth listening to. They haven't any way to know. So I probably agree more with the "agnostic/weak atheist" That said, I am firmly anti-religion with few exceptions.

Why are you anti-religion and what are the 'few exceptions'?
 
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Why are you anti-religion and what are the 'few exceptions'?
It is my observation that religion is often harmful to society (or is motive to things which are harmful). The few exceptions are the rare religious folks/groups that I have met who take their faith seriously, and thoughtfully use it "for good."
 
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It is my observation that religion is often harmful to society (or is motive to things which are harmful). The few exceptions are the rare religious folks/groups that I have met who take their faith seriously, and thoughtfully use it "for good."

What is "good"?


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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Why are you atheist? Is it just a random choice or is there a rationale behind it?

I rolled two sixes on two dice, and so...

Wait, what? :)

What is the rationale if you have one?

A fully natural godless universe makes much better sense to me, all things considered. It's very difficult to summarize what all those things are... it's my entire life experience, seen in the light of critical thinking skills.

What is your metephysical position, physicalist, naturalist, idealist, neutral monist, dualist, illusionist etc...?

Are you asking about the mind-body distinction? My position is a form of dual-aspect theory.

A Dual-Aspect Approach to the Mind-Body Problem


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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waffles or pancakes? and why? and then why to your answer to that?
Waffles because of the handy-dandy syrup pockets which are engineered into them. Because it is problematic to get an optimal syrup/pancake mixture without the nice grid of purpose-made pockets. I also like the crunchiness in a properly-cooked waffle.
Pancakes are for camping, roughing it.
 
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Sure, I reckon it is pretty arrogant to make such a claim as "There is definitely no ..." and that of the people who make such statements, few are worth listening to. They haven't any way to know. So I probably agree more with the "agnostic/weak atheist" That said, I am firmly anti-religion with few exceptions.

Then call me arrogant. :cool:

I feel it's no worse than theists who claim that they know they know the truth, that they know that God is real, so I can do the same... and I see no reason at all to believe that there is such a thing as a god, or gods. However, I see alot of reasons to believe there isn't.
 
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Why are you atheist? Is it just a random choice or is there a rationale behind it? What is the rationale if you have one? What is your metephysical position, physicalist, naturalist, idealist, neutral monist, dualist, illusionist etc...?
It wasn't a random choice, it took a while for me to decide to be Atheist. Part of my family is Catholic, most of it is Protestant. My family was not oppressively religious though, but I would say that I was raised a Christian. It had a lot to do with the ideals of religious folks where I grew up (southern US). Their inability to tolerate questions probably got me started doing my own investigating etc. It took me years to decide. It wasn't until I decided that religion was harmful (to society, people) that I became firm in my decision. I've become louder about it in the last few years in response to the increase in fundamental Christian rhetoric that reaches me.

My metaphysical position? Meh, I don't know. I probably fit into someone's category. I don't know which one. I'm not a real philosopher.
 
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Then call me arrogant. :cool:
I'm sure you can take it.
I feel it's no worse than theists who claim that they know they know the truth
It is the same thing. People making some claim, with certainty, which they have no way of proving.
I see no reason at all to believe that there is such a thing as a god, or gods.
Nor do I.
However, I see alot of reasons to believe there isn't.
Agreed.
 
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Good is: Does it promote your ideal vision of what the world "ought to be".

Do you believe that the international community should interfere with the domestic politics of a nation when there are extreme human rights violations, such as genocide? (As opposed to the idea of Westphalian sovereignty).

If your answer is yes... do you think, the Holocaust which was the main action that caused a change in the preception of the Westphalian idea and promotes anti-Westphalian ideas, was a good thing or a bad thing?
 
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