Ashkenaz and Sephard...

[ShirChadash]

I am having a serious *duh* moment here. I used to be clear on this but now I am clueless (we seriously need that eye-roll emote back, man. LOL).

Which is which? IOW, who what where and how...

Also, which is the pronunciation used in my Artscroll Siddur -- substituting the letters S/T and other differences in pronunciation... etc?

Thankie muchly in advance (TIA)

 

[Hix]

1. The Ashkenazic are of Eastern European Origin including France and Germany, whilst the Sephardic come mostly from Spain, North Africa and other parts of the Middle East.
2. Ashkenazic would say "Shabbos" wereas Sephardim would say "Shabbat" for example.
3. There are only slight differences between the two in relation to halacha, one prime example as is mentioned on JewFAQ is in regards to consumption of rice, corn, beans etc at Pesach.

For more see here: http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[shmuel]

Ashkenaz and Sephard...

I am having a serious *duh* moment here. I used to be clear on this but now I am clueless (we seriously need that eye-roll emote back, man. LOL).

Which is which? IOW, who what where and how...

Also, which is the pronunciation used in my Artscroll Siddur -- substituting the letters S/T and other differences in pronunciation... etc?

Thankie muchly in advance (TIA)

And you are going to define who is and who isn't a Messianic Jew!

The Ashkenazi pronounce the tav without a dagesh as "s" rather than "t" (the academic and ancient pronunciation is "th") and the qamatz is pronounced as "o". Thus they say: Barkhu es Adonoy rather than Karkhu et Adonay. And so: Mogen David rather than Magen David (shield of David). The ddfferent pronunciations give beth, beis, and beyt as pronunciations for "house of".

S

 

[Hix]

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And you are going to define who is and who isn't a Messianic Jew!


S

uh....

 

[Talmidah]

And you are going to define who is and who isn't a Messianic Jew!


S

Now I am confused....Zemirah was simply wondering about the difference btwn Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews. What in the world does that have to do with defining who is and who isn't a Messianic Jew? (which, by the way, Zemirah has never stated she would attempt to do.)

 

[ShirChadash]

Well first off...

I had the same reaction as Hix when I read that post... LOL... and um, secondly

Uh, yeah, right, I waste a lot of time worring about who IS and ISN'T Messianic, who makes the cut... cuz ya know, I AM the Litmus test, eh? (That's sarcasm, BTW, for those who don't get my humor.)

Shmuel... I still don't know who you think I am, or what you are reading into my comments that aren't there, but go on ahead and let me know, if you would. And then, maybe we can have an intelligent conversation, mmkay?

 

[ShirChadash]

Shmuel -- allow me to introduce myself

I am Zemmy -- a Messianic non-Jew. I don't make a habit of judging others' walks before HaShem with Yeshua. I do make a habit of trusting the Ruach Elohim to move and grow people as HaShem wills it for them personally in their walk. I don't make a habit of foisting my opinions and personal views on others, but I do share now and again... it's rare, but I do.

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And you are going to define who is and who isn't a Messianic Jew!



S

In answer to the above declaration -- I have never said, nor even implied anything remotely similar to your accusation -- never. Search my posts. I dare you. Seriously though, you either have me confused with someone else (and for the life of me, I cannot imagine who here you might have me confused with!! LOL) or you simply are reading my posts with a tremednous preconception and determination that I must be saying something I am assuredly not. Once again... Hi. I'm not sure where all this hostility toward me is coming from... can we start over, or would you simply like to take the time to be more clear what your 'tude toward me is for?

 

[shmuel]

Zemirah

I see you questioning an individual who is known to be Jewish, who has been in Messianic Judaism many years, who has positions of responsiblity and an effective ministry. Then, I see this question and my eyes roll! Sorry.

S

 

[ShirChadash]

Uh -- well sorry to make your eyes roll -- my family and I have had to study MJ and Judaism on our own, because I live in a nice part of the country where, sadly, there is neither Synagogue nor Messianic congregation. We've been slowly embracing and learning more over the last 5+ years. I haven't a clue who most people are in MJ, and I couldn't care less -- my eyes are on Yeshua.

I never claimed to be an expert (Oy. LOL -- nope, not an expert.) You see, I have no problem being who I am, and not claiming more for myself than I actually have attained. Seems to me some folks who run around calling themselves Jews, when they aren't (and no, I'm not indicating anyone in particular -- just gentiles... like me... only gentiles who simply can't resist saying they are Jews) have that problem though. And... erm... well I'll just say that it seems to me anyone who claims titles and degrees they aren't entitled to have that problem as well. So.. sorry to burst your bubble -- once again, I don't know who you thought I am, or what your tude was over -- but read my posts again. I haven't claimed remotely anything that you are stating -- I didn't even question Bernis or anyone else, BTW, I simply said -- OH I am relieved to hear the host is in fact a Messianic JEW. Gosh, yep, that was an out of line comment for me to make LOL. Smile, Shmuel -- I am. I think -- maybe take a looksee at the way you are posting to me... and tell me how others here are wrongfully making assumptions, again?

 

[shmuel]

Zemirah, you misunderstand me entirely. I am not critical what you believe.

I was going to write more, but I'll just leave it at that.

`Oseh shalom bimromav, hu' ya`aseh shalom aleinu v`a' kol Yisra'el. V'imru amein.

S

 

[ShirChadash]

Hm, I didn't think you were being critical what I believe. But I do think you made some misassumptions about me and my meaning/intent in posting... or something... Anyway -- my point is, seriously, I am rather clueless on who is "big" in "important Messianic Ministries" and what-not -- I really, truly don't know, and I am not interested. It just doesn't matter to me. I was seriously simply asking a question about something I studied long ago and was too lazy to re-acquaint myself with on my own when I knew I could ask folks here who would spell it out quickly and simply for me (did I mention I have six-children running around me when I type, and am constantly starting and leaving my posts before I get them submitted, LOL, as my comp is in the play room!?) It always concerns me a little -- or should I say, causes me to wonder -- when I hear something is "Jewish" -- ONLY because it seems many things are passed off as Jewish, and aren't. I was merely expressing relief on your thread over there, that the host is Jewish. That's it. No hidden agendae, honestly.

Shalom, shalom.

 

[ShirChadash]

And Hix and Tal Thank you!

I'd rep you but... alas... I can't so soon LOL.

 

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