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Art, Common Sense, and Objectivity

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Art, Common Sense, and Objectivity

To study art is to study human nature.

The prevailing view throughout the world seems to have been, and still is, that light is an inherent quality of the sky, earth, and all objects; their brightness is occasionally hidden or extinguished by darkness.

One child said “Sometimes when the sun gets up in the morning, he sees that the weather is bad, so he goes where it’s good.”

We might think that modernity would have eradicated such a view except we seem to be unable to reject what our eyes tell us is true. “Our image of the world, however, is all but unchanged, because it is dictated by compelling perceptual conditions that prevail everywhere and always.” One might argue that ‘I know better, I know that objects are illuminated by some source’. This may be true but there are many other visual variables wherein our comprehension is not nearly so enlightened.

Brightness depends upon a complex interaction of the distribution of light, on optical and physiological processes of the observer’s eyes and nervous system, and upon the objects ability to absorb and reflect light.

Luminance depends upon the percentage of light an object “throws back”. The eye determines only the light thrown back, which is determined not only upon the luminance of the object but also upon the amount of illumination upon the scene. Brightness will appear to the eye as being the sole property of the object itself.

Three dimensionality is determined by the eye to be shades of brightness, i.e. contour shading, likewise with depth perception.

“Illumination” is not self explanatory. To the physicist illumination means one thing but to the psychologist and the artist it means something entirely different. They “can speak of illumination only if and when the word serves to name a phenomenon that is directly discerned by the eyes”.

From the darkened audience the evenly lighted stage appears as an object with an inherent luminosity; the same effect is obtained from a uniformly lighted room. In this instance both the stage and room appear to be large independent luminaries. Illumination is something else.

Should we examine a small wooden barrel setting on the shelf our vision would inform us that the cylinder changes color and brightness as we scan from one side to the other side. Such a perception would happen only if we scanned slowly and carefully, micrometer by micrometer, as if we scan it through a small hole made in a sheet of paper.

When I see the barrel more naturally the whole object appears uniformly brown. “Over most of its surface the barrel shows a double value of brightness and color, one belonging to the object itself and another, as it were, draped over it—a transparency effect. Perceptually, the unity is split up into layers. The bottom layer will be called the object brightness and the object color of the barrel. The top layer is the illumination.”

Are qualities in my apperception (the process of understanding something perceived in terms of previous experience) inherent (essential character) of an object?

We have all been raised within an objectivist philosophical view wherein the object is ‘out there’ and it possesses certain qualities such as color, roughness, and stands in certain relationship with other objects.


“Most people tend to adopt this objectivist metaphysics…They thus come to think that objects have their properties “in themselves”, independent of sentient organisms, since as infants they learn object permanence and eventually come to experience properties as adhering in objects.” We have through social osmosis mistakenly learned that objects are mind-independent.

The most egregious and the most difficult to clarify error that objectivist make is the common sense assumption that objects are mind-independent.

“The world does not come to us prepackaged with determinate objects with their determinate properties. Instead we have to learn the meaning of physical objects, which we do by watching , handling them, subjecting them to forces, and seeing how they can be used—in short, by forms of interactive inquiry that are at once bodily and reflective.” This process of handling them, subjecting them to forces, and seeing how they can be used—in short, by forms of interactive inquiry that are at once bodily and reflective is what cognitive scientist call the ‘embodied mind’ or ‘embodied realism’.

Objectivity, i.e. our comprehension of truth, is our shared subjectivity.


Our senses, which are common to all human creatures, help us to form what we call common sense. However this ‘common sense’ often leads us to a serious mistaken identity of the meaning of objectivity.

Quotations from “The Meaning of the Body” by Mark Johnson.


 

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I think this metaphysics is fine as long as one does not push it too far. If all conscious entities were to cease to exist, it seems logical that the Universe would continue on, and properties such as "mass" would continue to adhere even without observers. I mean simply that, for instance, planets would continue to revolve around their stars because of the mass of both stars and planets.

And so while properties such as "color" would have no applicability at all if there were no conscious entities, properties such as "mass" would certainly still apply.


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Objectivism is not actually philosophy, it is rather an invention in science fiction by Ayn Rand, a science fiction writer who immigrated from Russia to the US many years ago. She is now deceased.

You might rework your ideas about illumination and make use of the word reflectivity.

Perception of three dimensions is accomplished within the brain by its comparison of the images from both eyes, and also the muscle tension and focus of the eyes. Two eyes are able to triangulate the positions of the things percieved.

Objectivity is only a method of description. Objective observation and description are meant to simplify the activities of experimentation.

Objectivity is simply a manner of speaking...
 
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Objectivism is not actually philosophy

Objectivism is actually philosophy, even if the originator wrote fiction instead of teaching philosophy classes at a University and publishing essays in philosophical journals. You don't need to be part of a philosophical establishment to create a philosophy.

You may read about Objectivism's positions on philosophical issues here:

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth--450-FAQ_Objectivist_View_Reality_Metaphysics.aspx

An in-depth presentation of the arguments used to justify those positions may be found here:

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth--1354-Logical_Structure_Objectivism.aspx

But coberst was NOT referring to Ayn Rand's Objectivism. He was referring to objectivism (lowercase-o), sometimes called metaphysical objectivism. It should not be confused with Ayn Rand's philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)#Objectivism


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You don't need to be part of a philosophical establishment to create a philosophy.

Well, I studied philosophy with Dr. Gerald Miller. And he, who has written books of philosophy, infatically dissagrees with you. He had said to us who studied with him, the only respected philosophers are the ones at the Ivy League schools. And, unless you happen to be one of these elites your philosophical ideas will never be respected.

Since he had never studied at a elite institution and did not teach at one, he did not consider himself to be one of the "real" philosophers. Sad but true...
 
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Well, I studied philosophy with Dr. Gerald Miller. And he, who has written books of philosophy, infatically dissagrees with you.

That's nice.

He had said to us who studied with him, the only respected philosophers are the ones at the Ivy League schools.

The key word here is "respected". I don't care who is a respected philosopher. Respect is not what makes a set of arguments a philosophy. It is only a kind of fame that gets one taught at universities.

Also, ask yourself: respected by whom? By those philosophers at the Ivy League schools? Why should we place so much importance on what they respect?

That's like letting jocks and cheerleaders define who is a worthwhile person. If you let them do this, you hand over all your personal power and judgment to them.

And, unless you happen to be one of these elites your philosophical ideas will never be respected.

Possibly, but I think you misunderstood my point.

I never said that Ayn Rand is a respected philosopher, or that Ayn Rand's Objectivism is a respected philosophy. I said that Ayn Rand was a philosopher, and that Objectivism is a philosophy.

Besides, while Ayn Rand is merely one philosopher among many, I respect her accomplishments. Perhaps I am not one of the "jocks" or "cheerleaders" of Ivy League schools, and am but an outcast "nerd", but my respect is still respect, respect it or not. ;)


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I said that Ayn Rand was a philosopher, and that Objectivism is a philosophy.

Well, I am sorry but you are wrong on both points. In order to be a philosopher you must be educated in philosophy, and Ayn, dear as she was, was not educated as a philosopher.

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Well, I am sorry but you are wrong on both points.

I'm sorry, but you continue to be wrong. It was a good attempt to shift the goalposts, btw.

In order to be a philosopher you must be educated in philosophy, and Ayn, dear as she was, was not educated as a philosopher.

She did, however, take philosophy courses at her university. I agree that she had a history degree instead of a philosophy degree, but she was educated in philosophy.

Or is a Ph.D. in philosophy the magic criterion? Socrates had no PhD in philosophy -- was he a philosopher? Were the first philosophers actually philosophers? Did they pull themselves up by their own bootstaps? Who was the magical first philosopher who was not "educated in philosophy"?

No, in order to be a philosopher, one must engage in the act of philosophy. Period. One must address philosophical issues, and develop one's own arguments and their justifications. Ayn Rand did this.

In fact, she created a philosophical system, containing positions and justifications in metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, politics, and aesthetics. That philosophical system is a philosophy, even if Ayn Rand's resume doesn't include a mention of a Ph.D. in philosophy (from an Ivy League school?)

Your criterion is tribalistic and set arbitrarily high.


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coberst post normally go way over my head.
As did this one. I did read in one of coberst post that they liked to examine the possibilities of being self taught. Which is a concept I highly agree with.

While I don't believe coberst mentioned experience. I believe experience is or should be a highly sought out form of personal education, especially in philosophy.

Either way, it sure is nice to finally see people debating the OP coberst writes.
For some reason I get the feeling coberst likes to go the way of the Buddhist when he makes his OP's.
Kind of a question with no answer.
 
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At birth an infant has a minimal innate arithmetic ability. This ability to add and subtract small numbers is called subitizing. (I am speaking of a cardinal number—a number that specifies how many objects there are in a collection, don’t confuse this with numeral—a symbol). Many animals display this subitizing ability.

At birth an infant and many other creatures have the ability to reason in a minimal way. To reason is to infer and to infer requires that a neurological structuring conducive to inferring is necessary. Thus to reason is to conceptualize and to infer. Conceptualizing is the creation of neural structures that make inferring possible.

To infer is to make very simple ‘if then’ decisions. Two ‘if then’ examples are ‘if A is true and B is true than C is true’ and ‘if A or B is true then C is true’. You can think of these as ‘and’ gates and ‘or’ gates. These two very simple inferences make it possible for us to do the reasoning that we do. If you examined your computer you would discover that these two simple inference ‘gates’ makes up your computer. All of the complex things that your computer can do results from these two simple elemental inference terms.

An infant can do math and an infant can reason. Of course, we all know that our ability to do math can go far beyond this simple innate ability. Likewise, our ability to reason can go far beyond this simple innate ability.

The philosophy department in college offers a course called Logic 101. Logic means principles. Logic 101 teaches the principles of reasoning. Every person should know the knowledge contained in Logic 101 but since few people were taught this they need to learn this on their own. If our schools did not teach arithmetic all citizens would be well advised to get a book on arithmetic and learn it on their own. Such is true also about reasoning; Logic 101 is the principles of reasoning. Just like math reasoning has vast complexities and possibilities for helping us live our lives

Who is the judge? I am the judge for me and you are the judge for you. One cannot hide from this truth and it is a no brainier that each of us is well advised to become as proficient in this matter as possible.

The Catch-22 is that the person who has little learning regarding this matter is the person most in need of self-study of this subject. In other words, the person with the least ability in making good judgments is the person who will make the judgment as to whether to spend the effort and time in acquiring the knowledge required to make good judgments.

Each of us makes many judgments every day. Each judgment made has some affect on our life. There are bad judgments, good judgments, and better judgments. The more ‘better judgments’ we make in our life the better our life will be, generally speaking.


Physics is about knowledge and is about objects in our world. Philosophy is about understanding and is about meaning that we impose upon the world of objects.

Understanding is a confluence of emotion and reason and happens rarely. It is a long step beyond knowing and is a synthesis of knowledge. When we do philosophy it is like the jazz player who integrates knowledge with emotion and plays the meaning that he or she understands. This understanding is not necessarily related to truth except that it is a synthesis of knowledge.

Physics is about knowledge concerning objects that can be measured. Knowledge is about truth, i.e. about how reality is. Philosophy is about meaning; it is an attempt to understand the world as an object of meaning; it goes beyond that which can be measured. Philosophy does not deal only with factual knowledge. Philosophy creates meaning which has no truth value in the sense that physics does. Philosophy is not merely a word game but neither is it a natural science that attempts to speak to the nature of reality.

Philosophy is a jazz solo. When we study philosophy we learn what the greatest minds have to say about these matters and from this knowledge we can get an idea of how we can do likewise.

CT (Critical Thinking) is philosophy lite. This is what philosophy means to me.

 
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