Arminianism and the Anglican View

[Zoness]

In comparison to Arminianism and Calvinism, what is the Anglican view on Salvation? How does it vary from either of those systems?

 

[calluna]

In comparison to Arminianism and Calvinism, what is the Anglican view on Salvation? How does it vary from either of those systems?

The answer to this is found in the statement that there is not actually such a thing as Arminianism. Arminius merely reminded Calvinists that, while they had successfully identified justification by works as a fundamental Catholic error, Catholics (on the whole) had not erred regarding election (and indeed Rome was to condemn Calvinism at Trent). He said nothing new. Anglicanism carried on the mainstream view on an issue that had not become greatly contentious before Calvin.

 

[Zoness]

The answer to this is found in the statement that there is not actually such a thing as Arminianism. Arminius merely reminded Calvinists that, while they had successfully identified justification by works as a fundamental Catholic error, Catholics (on the whole) had not erred regarding election (and indeed Rome was to condemn Calvinism at Trent). He said nothing new. Anglicanism carried on the mainstream view on an issue that had not become greatly contentious before Calvin.

So assuming for the sake of discussion the term Arminianism doesn't exist (which your right, it really doesn't, it is more a term that Calvinists use to define their anti-thesis) the Catholic AND Anglican (and I suppose Lutheran) views all hold something similar to the Arminian idea?

 

[calluna]

So assuming for the sake of discussion the term Arminianism doesn't exist (which your right, it really doesn't, it is more a term that Calvinists use to define their anti-thesis) the Catholic AND Anglican (and I suppose Lutheran) views all hold something similar to the Arminian idea?

Yes, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Methodism, many Baptists, most Pentecostalists, most Brethren types hold to free will rather than determinism. Lutheranism is a bit difficult to define, but I think it's true to say that most Lutherans also share that view, though Luther himself believed in predestination.

I think that Calvinists choose to use the word 'Arminian' to make themselves feel a shade less unorthodox than they otherwise might. Their original opponents in Holland did not call themselves Arminians.

 

[Zoness]

Yes, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Methodism, many Baptists, most Pentecostalists, most Brethren types hold to free will rather than determinism. Lutheranism is a bit difficult to define, but I think it's true to say that most Lutherans also share that view, though Luther himself believed in predestination.

I think that Calvinists choose to use the word 'Arminian' to make themselves feel a shade less unorthodox than they otherwise might. Their original opponents in Holland did not call themselves Arminians.

Thanks what I but I was looking for confirmation. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Iosias]

In comparison to Arminianism and Calvinism, what is the Anglican view on Salvation? How does it vary from either of those systems?

The Anglican Communion has many different traditions within it, in the Church of England we can find both Arminians and Calvinists. The 39 Articles are Calvinist in outlook but not all Anglicans will accept them.

 

[calluna]

The 39 Articles are Calvinist in outlook but not all Anglicans will accept them.

Article 17 is straight down the line from Scripture. Any who think it supports determinism have not read carefully enough.

 

[Iosias]

Article 17 is straight down the line from Scripture. Any who think it supports determinism have not read carefully enough.

1stly, we must differentiate between determinism and Calvinism, the two are not synonymous as much as detracors of Calvin would have people believe. 2ndly, I agree that Art. XVII is biblical, just as I believe what Calvin taught is biblical.

 

[calluna]

1stly, we must differentiate between determinism and Calvinism

Because?

 

[Iosias]

Because?

Because the two are not the same.

 

[calluna]

Because the two are not the same.

Because?

 

[Albion]

The Anglican Communion has many different traditions within it, in the Church of England we can find both Arminians and Calvinists. The 39 Articles are Calvinist in outlook but not all Anglicans will accept them.

I believe this (above) to be a good reply to your question, Zoness. The Articles of Religion are clearly not pure Calvinism, although there is an inclination in that direction, and, of course they couldn't have taken account of Arminius' later objections to Calvin's TULIP points.

 

[calluna]

I believe this (above) to be a good reply to your question, Zoness. The Articles of Religion are clearly not pure Calvinism, although there is an inclination in that direction

Would you mind pointing out where?