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This is the problem with religious epistemologies... it leaves the door open for any and all eventualities, with no way to discern what's reasonable. Your cognitive dissonance must be eating you alive.You cannot prove a single well known fact to me. Any fact for that matter. And yet you still think you are not walking by faith? If your views are not proven, aren't you believing them by faith? Faith is trust according to wikipedia. So you are trusting in something that is not proven. Not just some things, but every solid fact you believe, is actually held in your mind by faith.
Can you prove anything? Even basic scientific facts? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? I am not talking mathematical proofs, I am simply asking for something to be considered true. Something that is absolutely true. You can't. How then is it not faith? For now I am done with this conversation as you deny you live by faith, and this reveals you are not open minded to change. So I will let you know if I do another thread. But thank you for the debate, and I appreciate your willingness to post on this topic.You broadened the definition of faith to include all beliefs that weren’t mathematically proven. That’s disingenuous. Do better.
Again, is your faith in God backed by evidence or not?
Why do you maintain ignorance when there are many trying to help you out here?Can you prove anything? Even basic scientific facts? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? I am not talking mathematical proofs, I am simply asking for something to be considered true. Something that is absolutely true. You can't. How then is it not faith? For now I am done with this conversation as you deny you live by faith, and this reveals you are not open minded to change. So I will let you know if I do another thread. But thank you for the debate, and I appreciate your willingness to post on this topic.
that is not the primary definition of faith, number 1 is.Why do you maintain ignorance when there are many trying to help you out here?
faith
/fāTH/
noun
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction, credence, reliance, dependence; More
- strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, persuasion, religious persuasion, religious belief, belief, code of belief, ideology, creed, teaching, dogma, doctrine
"she gave her life for her faith"
I refuse to let you equivocate your religious faith with the common “faith” we put in the reliability of our everyday tools, and that puts you off-script, so of course you’re done with me. Good game.Can you prove anything? Even basic scientific facts? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? I am not talking mathematical proofs, I am simply asking for something to be considered true. Something that is absolutely true. You can't. How then is it not faith? For now I am done with this conversation as you deny you live by faith, and this reveals you are not open minded to change. So I will let you know if I do another thread. But thank you for the debate, and I appreciate your willingness to post on this topic.
If I had a nickel for every time I thought that...If you find yourself willing to actually engage the issues at hand and answer my questions rather than dancing around trying to get me to say the things your apologist gurus say I will, I’ll be here.
I don’t know about anyone else, but your threads have been very productive to me...I apologize gaara, I am not reading any more of your posts in this thread. I will let you know if I open a different thread. Thank you for your cooperation in this thread, and thank you for remaining civil and calm and not resorting to ad hominem attack. For this reason I look forward to debating with you in the future. If for some reason you do not wish to debate with me any more, feel free to message me, and I will honor your request. For the most part I feel that our conversations have been productive, so I thank you again.
glad to hear it. I am glad we can find mutual benefit. In this way coming to a christian forum has had a positive affect in your life. That is all I can ask. I know you meant that as an insult. But I didn't take it as one. I hope you don't mind. Also, I will monitor your posts, but there is a very good chance I won't be replying to any more of your posts. You have a tendency to insult when on the losing side, so I will politely bow out. So please don't be offended by my non answers.I don’t know about anyone else, but your threads have been very productive to me...
That’s your prerogative, but don’t let me see you linking to this thread as a success of yours.I apologize gaara, I am not reading any more of your posts in this thread. I will let you know if I open a different thread. Thank you for your cooperation in this thread, and thank you for remaining civil and calm and not resorting to ad hominem attack. For this reason I look forward to debating with you in the future. If for some reason you do not wish to debate with me any more, feel free to message me, and I will honor your request. For the most part I feel that our conversations have been productive, so I thank you again.
I think all the non believers who read this thread will see it for what it is. Although if anyone does convert to Christianity because of it, I’d love to talk to them...That’s your prerogative, but don’t let me see you linking to this thread as a success of yours.
I think the reason the “debate” is exhausted is because you don’t seem to understand what we’re saying when we point out all the flaws in your argument...so again it boils down to a universe that created itself, a multiverse that created itself, or God creating the universe. There has been no evidence a multiverse is outside of time or causeless, however God by very definition would be omnipresent and outside of time (and thus would not have a beginning).
When it comes to the origin of life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation.
In conclusion there is no reason why anything exists, no purpose for the atheist's viewpoint here. This is a very weak stance to have no motive for reality in general, no cause. This begs the question as to the origin of the multiverse. Where did it come from and more importantly why does it exist? IF it is a chance possibility of existence, why is there a chance at all? Until some of these questions are answered I feel we have exhausted this debate. Thank you for everyone involved.
there is no evidence for a multiverse, and their definitely is no evidence for a causeless, timeless multiverse that denies causation. It is your side of the argument that is exhausted. Not mine.I think the reason the “debate” is exhausted is because you don’t seem to understand what we’re saying when we point out all the flaws in your argument...
There. Is. Also. No. Evidence. For. God.there is no evidence for a multiverse, and their definitely is no evidence for a causeless, timeless multiverse that denies causation. It is your side of the argument that is exhausted. Not mine.
there is no evidence for a multiverse, and their definitely is no evidence for a causeless, timeless multiverse that denies causation. It is your side of the argument that is exhausted. Not mine.
God by definition is everywhere at once. Christian theologians call this the omnipresence of God. Logically if a God existed that created time He would naturally have to supercede it. Naturally if there is intelligence, logic, love, self sacrifice, and any other positive character trait in the universe God would have to be the supreme example of all of those things, if not the source of them. So far my evidences are based in the fact that there is no alternative to theism, that is evident. The alternatives have n evidence however, as they are only theoretical. So if you came to me saying the universe was created by a gelly monster. I would say, no, a monster is not what we see in the universe. We see logic, love, faithfulness, mercy. So whatever God there is, must be merciful, kind, forgiving, etc. But also must be judicial. Just, and legal. As those are positive character traits. Our God that we have evidence of ( due to no plausible alternatives, see first few pages of this thread for that dialogue), and due to the fact that every effect had a cause (per the logic of cause and effect), we know that the universe must be caused. if it was caused by a multiverse, then that too (because it is an effect), must have a cause. God is not an effect. See the creator is not a multiverse which has no personality, no love, no wisdom, intelligence, or mercy. As we see those positive character traits in the universe. So the creator must have those traits, and I don't see that in a multiverse. How can parallel universes have love? I sense meteors, galaxies, and asteroids maybe but not love, and logic. The fact that we are here pondering our origins philosophically proves that logic exists. And logic must have a cause. I don't see an asteroid, a black hole, a galaxy, causing logic. So again, God really is the only option here. He is the only thing on the universe that is not an effect, and thus needs no cause.Irony
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