I've noticed an odd trend among unsaved people. Almost to a man they recalcitrantly defend homosexuality despite its obvious detrimental effect on society in the form of AIDS spread and traditional family breakdown. Am I alone in noticing this or have others of you experienced this too?
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Arguing against homosexuality to unsaved.
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You are slightly misinformed. AIDS is not transmitted exclusively by homosexuals. Heterosexuals probably spread it the most.
As far as family breakdown. My dad didn't leave us for another man. I think homosexuality is being used as a scapegoat in these instances.
Iv'e become very good friends with a lesbian and it's teaching me a lot. I dont' think it is justified in the bible, in case you were wondering. But I love my friend just as much. I can't say I've got it all figured out. I think the first step in moving forward is admitting this. Why are people gay? I dont' know. But they are. A lot of them are confused and would really love to just become un-gay.
There are 3 words. "I love you." We need to use them and mean them a lot more because all gay people hear from us and see from us is "I hate you."
That isn't going to solve anything.
As far as family breakdown. My dad didn't leave us for another man. I think homosexuality is being used as a scapegoat in these instances.
Iv'e become very good friends with a lesbian and it's teaching me a lot. I dont' think it is justified in the bible, in case you were wondering. But I love my friend just as much. I can't say I've got it all figured out. I think the first step in moving forward is admitting this. Why are people gay? I dont' know. But they are. A lot of them are confused and would really love to just become un-gay.
There are 3 words. "I love you." We need to use them and mean them a lot more because all gay people hear from us and see from us is "I hate you."
That isn't going to solve anything.
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TCapp
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Well, not unexpected, really. Sex is now just recreational. And can't forget feelings. Feelings are important. More important than right and wrong. As long as they "love each other" it's okay. They'd still call you a bigot even if you showed them the medical consequences of homosexual behavior, and how it takes 20+ years off their lives... 
I guess homosexuality has become a sacred cow. You don't criticize. I know we are often told there is no agenda, but I don't believe it. They've portrayed themselves as victims for so long that everyone feels sorry for them. Well, in a way, I do, because they know not what they do... but not enough to hand over everything they want on a silver platter.
I guess homosexuality has become a sacred cow. You don't criticize. I know we are often told there is no agenda, but I don't believe it. They've portrayed themselves as victims for so long that everyone feels sorry for them. Well, in a way, I do, because they know not what they do... but not enough to hand over everything they want on a silver platter.
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Inspired
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AIDS isn't a homosexual disease, it's spread by people who are uneducated in safe sex practices, and intravenous drug users for the most part.
There's actually a law that will hopefully soon be in affect that will force, NARTH, and WND among other sites to stop posting lies like that. It's a law that will hold the sites accountable for acuuracy in their reports on sex ann STD's.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/28/vermont.internet.sex.ap/index.html
Someone tried to use that same law against the ACLU, but since their reports were not inaccurate it was beaten down, but the court made it clear it would use the law to enforce the law against other sites.
There's actually a law that will hopefully soon be in affect that will force, NARTH, and WND among other sites to stop posting lies like that. It's a law that will hold the sites accountable for acuuracy in their reports on sex ann STD's.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/28/vermont.internet.sex.ap/index.html
Someone tried to use that same law against the ACLU, but since their reports were not inaccurate it was beaten down, but the court made it clear it would use the law to enforce the law against other sites.
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TCapp
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Inspired, friend, forgive me for being a wet blanket. But this is "deeper fellowship" forum. "A Christians-only fellowship area for deeper general Chrisian sharing."
I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP wanted to make this into another debate... (there are lots of threads where that's going on, so there is no lack of opportunities).
I hope you understand. 
I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP wanted to make this into another debate... (there are lots of threads where that's going on, so there is no lack of opportunities).
I hope you understand.
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Inspired
only hurts when I breathe
TCapp said:Inspired, friend, forgive me for being a wet blanket. But this is "deeper fellowship" forum. "A Christians-only fellowship area for deeper general Chrisian sharing."
I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP wanted to make this into another debate... (there are lots of threads where that's going on, so there is no lack of opportunities).
I hope you understand.
I am a Christian, so I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't want to debate, but clarfy the misinformation.
No harm, no foul, nothing to forgive, no big,
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Mr.Cheese said:
When has you or anyone you know said "I hate you" to anyone who is gay? I've never had that experience. You misunderstand, I do not hate homosexuals. I do recognize it is wrong like many other sins per the Bible. Jesus did not tell us to ignore the sins people commit, his direct approach to the pharisees and money lenders suggests quite the opposite. Even when he saved the adulteress from getting stoned he told her, "Go and sin no more." The reason I mention it here is because when I bring it up in other forums I get hit with every form of name you can imagine like homophobe, intolerant, bigot, gay basher, ignorant. This does not happen when I challenge any other group, such as drug addicts, Islamic militants, or people who shack up. What's the deal here?
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Angel4Truth
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desi said:
I agree with you , there is a vast difference in loving a person and tolerating sin - You can love someone all day without loving what they do . My brother is gay , Do I love him less? Absolutely not - do I tolerate his sin? Absolutely not as well , not tolerating it means I do not empower it or support it , nor should I biblically . Do I show him love and witness to Him about God? Yes , just like I would any nonbeliever under any sin bondage , homosexuality isnt better or worse than any other sin , and the only time I have issue with it , is when its forced on me - meaning I am suppose to "tolerate" sexual jokes , and inuendo - which would not be acceptable to me from anyone , not just homosexuals .
Just because someone isnt willing to empower and tolerate sin doesnt mean they hate anyone , thats just a straw man used in my opinion to force others to follow something they would not ordinarily agree with .
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Inspired
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desi said:
Rev. Phelps says it everyday, and goes even farther to claim God feels the same way. Phelps has followers. Not all parents take the time to teach their kids about discrimination and hate, if you don't teach them about it, they learn it from somewhere else, quite possibly someoen like Phelps, hopefully someone else, who can teach them they can hate someone's actions, but it is never ok, to hate someone to the point that you resort to violence through that hate, physically, verbally or emotionally.
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Its amazing that Gods words have to be sugar coated in deeper fellowship, I thought this was for Christians and not for information about the education and political views of homosexuality.
Obviously it's a sin, whoever tells you it isn't is lying to you.
Obviously it's a sin, whoever tells you it isn't is lying to you.
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I haven't found a way to convey the fact that God condemns that sin, I always run into a brick wall, when the Christians start accepting homosexuality as ok, then you know it's heresy.
Especially around here, my suggestion is to just stick to the word and teach it those unknowing about it, but I wouldn't bother with the regular proponents around here, as I'm quickly learning. It's a losing battle, God will judge them.
Especially around here, my suggestion is to just stick to the word and teach it those unknowing about it, but I wouldn't bother with the regular proponents around here, as I'm quickly learning. It's a losing battle, God will judge them.
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Inspired said:
If telling someone they are sinning for being homosexual is your definition of verbal and emotional violence you either don't belong in this part of the site or you've torn a few pages out of your Bible. Either way you are defending a population God has doomed to Hell. If we humor them by remaining silent as they condemn themselves to Hell for eternity by their actions we become party to their demise. Tolerance becomes hate.
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WalkByFaith
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The biggest problem I see when homosexuality is brought up is that people always bring up people who do hate gays and resort to violence and things like that..... These people who say they are doing it for God and for the Kingdom...... its a big obstical that has to be overcome because many people have taken the actions of a few and made it a blanket convering all Christians..... A friend of mine told me he was bi no more than a week ago and his greatest fear was that I would judge him because of how he saw people being judged at his church... Now this was one case that I could show that not every person is like that in fact most arn't.... The first step is showing that you truly do care for them and you don't look down on them...now that doesn't mean you say oh it's ok that you are bi because the bible clearly states otherwise but we are no better than they.. we are all sinners plain and simple...
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