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Are you still saved if you believe in the wrong things about Jesus?

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John 3:36 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John 3:36
Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They are all saved according to Yahweh's Word.
(everyone (100%) who trusts in the Son (Jesus) ) .
 
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Would you agree that those who seek salvation cannot know that they are truly saved, then?
Some know experientially. Some don't. Some "know" but are wrong. Some don't "know" but are right ...... people are so fickle .........
 
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Would you agree that those who seek salvation cannot know that they are truly saved, then?

Well, I think those seekers would know their relationship with God far better than I.
 
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Would you agree that those who seek salvation cannot know that they are truly saved, then?

...............well, there is a small epistemological hint in Scripture where it says we are to serve the Lord in faith, with "fear and trembling." In other words, we aren't to presume upon God to just do what we think He should do because we take it for granted that He loves us and that He'll do what we want Him to do in the way that we think He should do it. No, we are to walk, think and worship with awe and reverence, not in presumption.

My point in saying all of this is to refer us to the idea that even though we know He loves us, and that we know He can save us, and we should recognize that as Christians we can be confident of God's love and salvation, we should still harbor a small sliver of doubt about whether we definitely will make it "through" and beyond Judgment Day. So, in that sense, no, we don't 'know' that we are truly saved. We just know that God can truly save us ... which is a different aspect of our faith from knowing that we're definitely placing faith in God without willful presumption about it all.
 
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If you can find a 3 year old son with his father in the park , or store, or at home,
in a decent or good relationship,

Jesus said we must be trusting like the 3 year old son trusts his father.

Very simple. Nothing at all complicated.

What does it mean to "trust in the Son"? Does that include holding unusual beliefs about him?
 
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If you can find a 3 year old son with his father in the park , or store, or at home,
in a decent or good relationship,

Jesus said we must be trusting like the 3 year old son trusts his father.

Very simple. Nothing at all complicated.
OK ... for you, it sounds like it boils down to mere trust ... in something ...
 
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Trust Jesus, and trusting Jesus is as trusting the Father in heaven.

Trust one, you trust the other, and likewise trust His Word - otherwise there is no trust.

Trust HIM, not some thing, or something.
Trust HIM personally.

Otherwise, don't.

OK ... for you, it sounds like it boils down to mere trust ... in something ...
 
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Ooops..... that's only in other religions and tradition adopted,
never found in Scripture.
zero percent.

I think in this case, many Catholics might suggest that you have rejected the 1% found in their scriptures that teaches Mary is co-redemptrix.
 
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Trust Jesus, and trusting Jesus is as trusting the Father in heaven.

Trust one, you trust the other, and likewise trust His Word - otherwise there is no trust.

Trust HIM, not some thing, or something.
Trust HIM personally.

Otherwise, don't.
Yes, but even in the "who?" there is a "how much of what to believe about the 'who'?"
 
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Why complicate things ?

Yahweh made everything simple , like for little children He loves and freely gives life to.

Men complicated everything - really really messed up. Not in a good way either.

Yes, but even in the "who?" there is a "how much of what to believe about the 'who'?"
 
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Why complicate things ?

Yahweh made everything simple , like for little children He loves and freely gives life to.

Men complicated everything - really really messed up. Not in a good way either.
600,000+ words (in the common Bible alone) seems pretty complicated to me.
 
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600,000+ words (in the common Bible alone) seems pretty complicated to me.
Why ?

Little children have found it simple, refreshing, enlightening, joyous, life-giving, leading to Christ and to God and to eternal life and to many many many overflowing blessings.... (with much persecution)

Scholars spend more time arguing how tall a candle should be, instead of lifting a finger to save someone's life or help a little child have food.
 
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In essence, it seems to me that you are stating that as long as we know we need something greater than us, then that is well, since he knows - no matter the name we use.

No, I'm not saying all that. There was more to Job than that.

And there is more to that verse than that.

Within just that verse there are three points beyond what you've stated:

1. I acknowledge that God exists.
2. I acknowledge that I am not in God's favor.
3. I acknowledge that I cannot get into God's favor on my own.
4. I acknowledge that I need a mediator between me and God who is able to "lay hands upon us both."
 
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I also know of children and adults who have been traumatized with subsequent emotional and mental illnesses after reading about armageddon, etc.
 
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Is someone saved if they believe in 1-3 but deny 4?
 
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I also know of children and adults who have been traumatized with subsequent emotional and mental illnesses after reading about armageddon, etc.
So someone lied to them - there are more bad guys out there than good guys (you should know already, right?) .
If you don't know Jesus, everything can be scary.
If you do know Jesus, nothing is scary.
 
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