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Are you sane?

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Skaloop

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I'm an atheist. Always have been, always will be. During my time on these forums, I have heard all kinds of preposterous statements from Christians. I've seen all kinds of fact-twisting to make reality fit with the Bible (or vice versa). Furthermore, I have heard things that, if told in a non-religious context, would be classified as borderline schizophrenic.

What can you tell me to convince me that Christians are not insane?

Hearing voices, making up stories of fantasy, believing the unbelievable; those are all signs. So what allows Christians to be labeled "sane" when countless others with similar, albeit non-religious, delusions get put in padded rooms?
 

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We rejoice when we suffer. We die to ourselves so that we might live in another. We count death as gain and everything this world can give us as dung compared to the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus. When we are persecuted we call that blessed. When we are weak we call that strong. When we are poor we call that rich. Though we are sorrowful we are always rejoicing.

It is easy to see why someone in love with the present world and blinded by its pleasures would consider us fools. But there is no lasting city in this world; every one of them falls. And we have put our hope in a city which will never be destroyed. We have only but tasted the joy that is to be found in Jesus, and we are willing to die for it while secular men are dying for perishing cities. So yes we are sane because we do not hope in things that will not last but have placed our faith instead in the One who is everlasting.
God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.​
 
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I'm an atheist. Always have been, always will be. During my time on these forums, I have heard all kinds of preposterous statements from Christians. I've seen all kinds of fact-twisting to make reality fit with the Bible (or vice versa). Furthermore, I have heard things that, if told in a non-religious context, would be classified as borderline schizophrenic.

What can you tell me to convince me that Christians are not insane?

Hearing voices, making up stories of fantasy, believing the unbelievable; those are all signs. So what allows Christians to be labeled "sane" when countless others with similar, albeit non-religious, delusions get put in padded rooms?

The question isn't whether or not Christian are insane, but whether or not Christianity is true.
 
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I'm an atheist. Always have been, always will be. During my time on these forums, I have heard all kinds of preposterous statements from Christians. I've seen all kinds of fact-twisting to make reality fit with the Bible (or vice versa). Furthermore, I have heard things that, if told in a non-religious context, would be classified as borderline schizophrenic.

What can you tell me to convince me that Christians are not insane?

Hearing voices, making up stories of fantasy, believing the unbelievable; those are all signs. So what allows Christians to be labeled "sane" when countless others with similar, albeit non-religious, delusions get put in padded rooms?
Jesus Christ exorcised demons (which were also psychological disorders), preached & prescribed against debauchery (Matthew 5:28, 29), healed the sick etc. & always delivered. The clinical pharmaceutical treatment complex often fails & often creates the schizophrenia you accuse Christians of having. Take a gander: http://www.newstarget.com/021798.html edit to my OP: deleted a refernce that said "you must obviously support" pharmaceutucal (above) was unsubstantiated & prideful (sorry).
 
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You know, when I looked at the title of your post, I wanted to say "Is anyone really sane?"

But the truth of the matter is, who really knows. I mean we place Sane/Insane by our standards and rules, who to know if we got it right anyway, it's just our pride messing with us that makes us think we did.

God Bless

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I am insane. I know it. I've made my peace with it.

I can look at it objectively (I'm insane, not stupid) and if I were to tell you what I believe and why I believe what I believe (not gonna do that), you would agree that I'm insane. But it has made me a better person, so the world is better off with an insane me. :)

And I'm better off with an insane me, too. The sane me was a real piece of work.
 
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I'm an atheist. Always have been, always will be. During my time on these forums, I have heard all kinds of preposterous statements from Christians. I've seen all kinds of fact-twisting to make reality fit with the Bible (or vice versa). Furthermore, I have heard things that, if told in a non-religious context, would be classified as borderline schizophrenic.

Well, actually, you haven't always been atheist. Think about it. And, to be perfectly accurate, you can't absolutely guarantee you won't change your view in the future. Yes, right now you feel and believe that you will always be an atheist, but you don't actually know that this is how it will be. Things change...

Anyway.

What can you tell me to convince me that Christians are not insane?

Hearing voices, making up stories of fantasy, believing the unbelievable; those are all signs. So what allows Christians to be labeled "sane" when countless others with similar, albeit non-religious, delusions get put in padded rooms?

It seems to me that you've already come to your conclusion. Why do you wish to be convinced otherwise?

The description you give of Christians is pretty much how I'd describe atheists. Maybe atheists and Christians have more in common than you thought! ;):D

Peace to you.
 
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Hi Skaloop,

Nice to see you in Outreach. :)

During my time on these forums, I have heard all kinds of preposterous statements from Christians.
To be honest, we can level that comment right back at you. I've heard similarly crazy things from non-Christians.

I've seen all kinds of fact-twisting to make reality fit with the Bible (or vice versa).
Again, we can say the same of non-Christians, I've seen people purposefully twist scripture to make it appear to say something other than what it really does, so they can support their false position of how unfair God is, how angry and hateful He is and blah blah etc.

Furthermore, I have heard things that, if told in a non-religious context, would be classified as borderline schizophrenic.

What can you tell me to convince me that Christians are not insane?
Your approach to this appears to be that we somehow need to explain ourselves to you. We do not, although in order to be helpful I will try my best. In addition I cannot speak for all Christians, some of us may well likely be insane, just as any non-Christian may also. I do not believe the two linked, as follows:

Hearing voices
Not specifically limited to Christians.

making up stories of fantasy
Unprovable assertion. You cannot demonstrate how we do so, to the exclusion of it being only a Christian trait or brought on by Christianity.

believing the unbelievable
Again, another unprovable assertion. I find it equally unbelievable that people believe the world came about by mere chance. It seems awfully well orchestrated for an accident.

So what allows Christians to be labeled "sane" when countless others with similar, albeit non-religious, delusions get put in padded rooms?
The term insane:

"An obsolete term used colloquially to describe a person with a psychotic disorder. Now a legal term applied by the courts to a person who, because of mental disease or developmental disability, is unable to appreciate the wrongfulness or criminality of his or her conduct at the time of an offense, or in some jurisdictions, is unable to control his or her actions."

Doesn't seem to fit us at all, considering we are not criminals, and we do not exhibit any traits in common with psychosis in that we still have a firm grasp on reality in addition to our spiritual beliefs. Psychotic behaviour rejects reality. If this is the point you wish to contest, then you need to demonstrate how being a Christian, in every single case, causes such behaviour. In addition you need to show how being an atheist in every single case, prevents such behaviour, which we both know you cannot do, on both counts.

Oddly, I heard a definition of insanity once that said it's doing the same thing, in the same manner, over and over again, but expecting different results. One would think those who post in Outreach may in fact be insane simply based on how we are stuck in what the Greeks would consider hell, mindless repetition. You ask, we answer. Fast forward a few months, you ask the same question, we answer with the same response.

Makes you wonder if any of us are sane hmm? ;)

Cheers,
Digit
 
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