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Please remember to read the Statements of Purpose for each forum that you intend to post in. Thanks!The Spiritual Formation & Disciplines forum is a place for members to discuss spiritual formation the practice of spiritual disciplines (disciplines for the spiritual life), that enable Christians to grow spiritually and be transformed into the image of Christ. The spiritual disciplines are those practices found in Scripture that promote spiritual growth among believers in Jesus Christ, and that engage our mind and heart with God.
Amos 6.1 primarily condemns Israel's social inequities, oppression of the poor, and disregard for God's covenant. And warns of imminent judgment and destruction upon Israel due to their sins.
In light of this video, how would you answer the question in the title of this post?
Your statement is a bit confusing.-A Christian defines as a person who follows Christ in their life, but that does not necessarily make one a born again child of God. That can only happen when a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.
Your statement is a bit confusing.
You say a Christian is defined by a person who follows Christ but then you say they are not a born again child of God.
I tell you this... anyone who follows Jesus Christ of Nazareth also believes in His Gospel of eternal life.
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So for you "born again" means believing in Jesus for eternal life. It may/should/must include following Christ in life.-No if you re-read what i said. I said a person may follow Christ in their life, but that does not necessarily mean they are born again. They very well may be born again and be following Christ in their life.
But there are going to be some people who are very obedient in their life to following Christ, but never actually believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.
Are you speaking of His Holy Spirit who dwells in the believer through regeneration? This is the born again believer. The flesh can not follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth . It is through His Holy Spirit's indwelling that keeps one on the narrow road. Love prevails in one's life through selflessness.-No if you re-read what i said. I said a person may follow Christ in their life, but that does not necessarily mean they are born again. They very well may be born again and be following Christ in their life.
But there are going to be some people who are very obedient in their life to following Christ, but never actually believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.
Amos 6.1 primarily condemns Israel's social inequities, oppression of the poor, and disregard for God's covenant. And warns of imminent judgment and destruction upon Israel due to their sins.
Not sure how that fits into being a Christian.
This was a narration of something Horatius Bonar (1808-1889) wrote.
And this was Horatius Bonar's house. Have to wonder if he practiced what he preached to others.
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Thank you! Sorry for the mistake.AMBASSADOR HAT
This thread has been moved from The Junk Drawer to Spiritual Formation and Disciplines.
Sorry, this one has got to move.
This was a bit of a tough decision, but the idea of "self-denying Christianity" strikes me as more of a spiritual discipline type topic, and the call to action in the video is an exhortation for believers to be more christlike and separate themselves from the world (Romans 12:2), which is what the spiritual disciplines forum is about. Not to mention the formation-style challenge question in the title. (It's not about debating who is a Christian and who is not, which would be yet another forum section altogether.)
Please remember to read the Statements of Purpose for each forum that you intend to post in. Thanks!
(but this is a common mistake that a lot of people have made, the Junk Drawer looks like a true miscellaneous forum when it isn't.)
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So for you "born again" means believing in Jesus for eternal life. It may/should/must include following Christ in life.
But simply following Christ without belief is not good enough.
It makes me ask, if one does not believe in Christ for eternal life, why follow?
But I suppose these days we might call then cultural Christians. Cultural Christians are people who identify as Christians but may not have a personal relationship with Christ.
Note: the house was stone, most houses in England where stone. This was not pretentious in that day, but rather the norm.Amos 6.1 primarily condemns Israel's social inequities, oppression of the poor, and disregard for God's covenant. And warns of imminent judgment and destruction upon Israel due to their sins.
Not sure how that fits into being a Christian.
This was a narration of something Horatius Bonar (1808-1889) wrote.
And this was Horatius Bonar's house. Have to wonder if he practiced what he preached to others.
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So is there such a thing as a saved person who's not a Christian, or visa versa? And if so, could you prove this w/ scripture?-A Christian defines as a person who follows Christ in their life, but that does not necessarily make one a born again child of God. That can only happen when a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.
If you take what Bonar said contextually you will see he is not trying to prove what he says with that scripture, but rather putting forth the impactful way that scripture states a truth, to state yet another truth.Amos 6.1 primarily condemns Israel's social inequities, oppression of the poor, and disregard for God's covenant. And warns of imminent judgment and destruction upon Israel due to their sins.
Not sure how that fits into being a Christian.
That was extremely vague. What truth? Don't be cryptic. Be specific.If you take what Bonar said contextually you will see he is not trying to prove what he says with that scripture, but rather putting forth the impactful way that scripture states a truth, to state yet another truth.
If you want it proved, study the gospels, and Acts, and, if your mind is open, you will find the truth unavoidable. This video is not geared to prove, but rather to awaken.
I wasn't answering a question, so I did not need to be specific beyond a point.That was extremely vague. What truth? Don't be cryptic. Be specific.
Please, it's a gated 3 story castle. How about you? Do you live in a nice house with nice things? Since you're telling me to consider my life, tell me about yours. Oh wait, I just saw you're a teenager. You haven't even gotten started yet.Note: the house was stone, most houses in England where stone. This was not pretentious in that day, but rather the norm.
As far as the size of the house, it had a lot of occupants over the years: View attachment 359186
Don't discount the truth, but rather consider seriously your own life.
What truth are you talking about? Don't be evasive. Don't be cryptic. Be specific.I wasn't answering a question, so I did not need to be specific beyond a point.If you have a question I'll gladly answer it!
I already explained the house to you. It is not at all presumptuous by British standards. And as far as three stories go, in England (understandably) they build up.Please, it's a gated 3 story castle. How about you? Do you live in a nice house with nice things? Since you're telling me to consider my life, tell me about yours. Oh wait, I just saw you're a teenager. You haven't even gotten started yet.
The truth that the Church in Bonar's day, and the church, quite clearly from what Bonar said, in our day, is worldly.What truth are you talking about? Don't be evasive. Don't be cryptic. Be specific.
Is anyone in Scripture stated clearly to be a saved personSo is there such a thing as a saved person who's not a Christian, or visa versa? And if so, could you prove this w/ scripture?
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