Are you prejudice towards a certain Christian group?

Restoresmysoul · Nov 15, 2014

gideons300 said:
LOL, "my font style"? Well, such as I have, give I thee. By the way, you are posting some great things.

Blessings,

Gids

Yes, your font is distinct. And thank you brother.

Always in His Presence · Nov 15, 2014

gideons300 said:
The difference is quite obvious, George Mueller worked at the orphanage, lived like they did, ate what they ate. Joel goes home to his gated community and eats filet mignon. I doubt if that is what the orphans eat.

Spin away, but you cannot make this acceptable. The scriptures are crying out but some refuse to listen. Why? They love money and stuff. Simple.

Gids

I'm not spinning anything my misinformed friend.

How do you suggest A person should work at 25 orphanages?

At what point does the mans wealth become acceptable in your eyes?

If he lived in a 250,000 home and ate sirloin? Would it be acceptable then?

Or how about in an apartment and ate beans and weinnies?

Where is the drawing point?

Maybe in a box on the street eating out of garbage cans? How poor is poor enough in your eyes?

Always in His Presence · Nov 15, 2014

Chris12 said:
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Times New Roman, Arial] Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money; Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, [/FONT][/FONT]

So the disciples, each in accordance with his financial ability, decided to send relief to the brothers living in Judea.

^^^ according their their means = not money that they owed to anyone else...

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

LOVE is the tithe. Giving out of our wealth, what we have left after any debt is taken care of... that is just part of love.

And back then, was for the support of other Christians = specific people without means of their own at that time. You don't have to give to these men...

Great verses, what does it have to do with the fact that only one of ten richest preachers in the us ever get castigated for their wealth.

Messy · Nov 15, 2014

Simply Put said:
Where is the drawing point?

Maybe in a box on the street eating out of garbage cans?

That's a start. Food and shelter is enough, lol. I think it's cultural. We had an American preacher who talked about his yard and the translator thought he said yaught. There was no cent in the offering they held for him, lol.

Restoresmysoul · Nov 15, 2014

Simply Put said:
Great verses, what does it have to do with the fact that only one of ten richest preachers in the us ever get castigated for their wealth.

I think all preachers should live a simple life free from wealth and worldliness, but full of holiness and love. I think they should live it and preach it. There would be no disagreement in it whatsoever and it would edify the Church.

gideons300 · Nov 15, 2014

Simply Put said:
I'm not spinning anything my misinformed friend.

How do you suggest A person should work at 25 orphanages?

At what point does the mans wealth become acceptable in your eyes?

If he lived in a 250,000 home and ate sirloin? Would it be acceptable then?

Or how about in an apartment and ate beans and weinnies?

Where is the drawing point?

Maybe in a box on the street eating out of garbage cans? How poor is poor enough in your eyes?

I am not trying to make this law. But I can say this. Profiting for personal gain off of gifts to God from His sheep is wrong. There may be a gray area where it can be debatable, but living in million dollar homes....several of them... driving exotic luxury cars, owning lear jets and gawdy jewelry and $40,000 air conditioned dog houses, these are undebatable excesses that cannot be defended, no matter how much one tries.

Tell you what. When those ten ministers go back to making $250,000 a year, and flying first class rather than coach, then we can debate it. This is not a gray area, this is black as night to any who truly want real truth. How close these lives are to testifying that "I am rich and powerful and increased with goods and have need of nothing". The next step, lest they repent, is being spewn out of the mouth of God. I pray they all do whatever it takes to avoid such a fate.

If we line up all the warnings about keeping oneself unspotted from the world, not ministering for filthy lucre, laying not for ourselves treasure on earth, and then take them to heart and pray..... it becomes perfectly clear that the wolves are in sheep's clothing and the sheep who desire that lifestyle as their own are on a road that will lead them far from the kingdom of God, lest they repent.

How are these men displaying their obedience to "with food and clothing be content"? They have, and want more.... and then more still. It is shameful behavior, and there is no other way to spin it, though many will try. In the end, the truth will be revealed, but for many, it will simply be too late. Now is the time to make Him lord of our pocketbooks, not on the last day.

Blessings,

Gideon

Chris12 · Nov 15, 2014

I met a preacher... Good man I like him well - I met him at work. We were having a conversation and I asked him why he was a preacher..since I did know he was.

He told me he felt led by God to teach about Jesus, and had since a young child. He became a young man who in his love of Jesus attended seminary. He told me while at seminary one day, he was in a group having a conversation with other seminary students, and as a conversation piece asked why everyone was there.

He told me every single one said they were there for the money they would make pastoring churches. Every single student was there as a "career choice" and no one but him was there because they felt led by God.

So he told me he prayed about it, then quit seminary the very next day. He told God, he said, that if he was really called to teach about Jesus, that God would simply have to give him the place and opportunity.

So he started regular college and began a life. Working for a company and living like everyone else. One day, a poor church asked him to pastor for them, so he did - while working a full time job, taking no fund from the church for it.

He went from there to another church eventually and spent his life as a pastor... all the while working a regular job and taking no fund. Because God not only called him, but put him where he needed to be.

Funny... but of all the Christians I know, he is up there in the top three as a great man of God.

Restoresmysoul · Nov 15, 2014

Its seems simple to me. Its not about law but about the doctrine of Christ. Also, if we look at what paul taught and how he lived we will see that paul did all things for the sake of Christ and His Church, and Paul would not even eat meat if it caused his weak brethren to stumble. So how much more should preachers today flee from luxurious lifestyles? After all Christ doesnt teach us to abstain from meats but he does teach us to flee from wealth, so how much more would paul flee from wealth?

If these wealthy preachers were spirit filled and knowledgeable in the scriptures would they not get rid of their wealth in order to promote peace, righteousness and joy in the spirit? What would Paul do? Can they not see that their wealth is a stumbling block for others?

Tenebrae · Nov 15, 2014

Frogster said:
Jesus called people names.

He was (is) the Son of God though.

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

Messy said:
That's a start. Food and shelter is enough, lol. I think it's cultural. We had an American preacher who talked about his yard and the translator thought he said yaught. There was no cent in the offering they held for him, lol.

Hi Messy, red above, yes.

1 Tim 6:8 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

duplicate.

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

murjahel said:
And He warned us of believing we have the ability to know who deserves to be called names...

Matthew 5:22 (KJV)
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, (worthless one) shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Romans 14:4 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Red above, it does say without a cause, and there are always 'brothers" who preach false gospels, so there is a cause sometimes, besides, what Happy said was not really not worst thing in the world, really...I mean....ya know....

Jesus is our example also.

Paul called names too, even when talking to brothers in 2:13.

2:13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Titus 1:12 One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

Peter....

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

Simply Put said:
Are you saying someone cannot be wealthy and serve God?

How do you know these men are covetous? Does just the fact they have money make the wrong?

Jesus connected having alot, with coveting. Besides, what is really bad is that he is preaching the have it all now, this life, money is everything gospel, and people are falling for it, and being distracted, that is a real issue too.

Joel is dong this>>>>

1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called knowledge

Sounds sweet, but it is not knowledge, according to Paul, who was fighting this same gospel corrupting spirit.

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

Messy said:
I don't believe any pastor who is wealthy is wrong. Money is not the root of all evil, love of money is, as long as they don't get wealthy from the tithings I don't think it's wrong. Some are called to make money in business and give, but I believe we should pray for those who keep the tithings for themselves, since I saw a very disturbing NDE of someone.
We can all look at those millionair preachers with a private jet, but compared to an African I'm extremely wealthy and a car is luxury. I can take a bike or a bus and no tv and give the money to the Africans. I love what Smith Wigglesworth did. He worked as a plumber 60 hours a week next to his job as a preacher to feed the poor.1 Timothy 6
(the instruction is not to sell everything like the rich guy)
Instructions to the Rich
Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy.[bless and do not curse]18[bless and do not curse]"Let them"[bless and do not curse]do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share,[bless and do not curse]19[bless and do not curse]storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

red above, great stuff, just like how Paul for the most part worked, and so did a prophet named Silas, Tim, Titus, Barnabas, and Priscilla and Aquila.

now faith · Nov 16, 2014

Messy said:
Oh that's a lot. Never heard of him. Is he still single?

Good question

Always in His Presence · Nov 16, 2014

Tenebrae said:
I'm prejudiced towards people who make a load of money off the back of emotional manipulation of their followers and all manner of dodgy double dipping

Its present in some churches today "give to the sacrifical offering and god will give everything you want" "if you dont tithe god cant bless you" etc. Funnily enough there has been many times where I have chosen not to tithe however yet God still continued to bless me despite my no tithing

I recall being asked why my tithe had dropped for a week. It had dropped because I was away sick that week and had to use leave without pay. There was no "gosh, I hope you are feeling better"

I am 100% with you.

jiminpa · Nov 16, 2014

Simply Put said:
Great verses, what does it have to do with the fact that only one of ten richest preachers in the us ever get castigated for their wealth.

Because it was not really about money or excess, it's about creating a guilt by association to take down Biblical Christianity in favor of man worship of the reformers.

Restoresmysoul · Nov 16, 2014

No man can save me, Christ alone will save me. I see no need for a Pope or a reformer, or a TBN preacher either. My soul cries out to God. I have made many bad choices in my life, and now i am getting older, life is not a joke or a party anymore. Praise the Lord, my soul waits on Him alone.

Andrea411 · Nov 16, 2014

Chris12 said:
Thats funny because I don't think 40 million dollar Joe is spreading any gospel. He is begging cash from anyone and everyone, using the name of God to do it...

and people like me, are led to Christ through dreams and visions.

I'm with both the bible, which says that man cannot serve two masters, God and wealth - he will love and one and hate the other, or hate the one and love the other, but two he will not serve.., and with Gideon, who says God will supply our need without need of asking.

I was led to Christ through dreams and visions. He wanted me to know HIM, and led me to Himself. Not a rich man begging a man's wealth... but Christ Himself.

If you noted in the story... the orphanage required funds to operate too. The difference, is one knew God would supply, and didn't get on television/internet and beg, or tell people all their prayers would be answered if they just emptied out their checking account - essentially telling people you can purchase heaven.

Heaven is not for sale - even if there are many trying to sell it.

I appreciate that you shared your opinion, but that is all it is..... neither you or I can look into 40 M soul and judge what he does and why he does it....

as I stated, its all fine and well for me to be uncomfortable with these people but there are many that get saved. If you think the mouth piece makes that much difference, IDK... I believe the gospel comes with power.... the Holy Spirit is still in charge of the church the last time I checked, Jesus is still head.... and they manage to use what is at hand .... funny they don't ask my opinion.
I try to stay very positive about Christians, they are journeying and the Lord deals with us individually.... Thank my God He is merciful

Frogster · Nov 16, 2014

As soon as a church uses the "tithe" word, then it leves no doubt, they want the 10% off the gross income. Sooooo.....

Now granted many denominations use the pet word, but some really milk it, and you now who you are, to mean, you have to give, or you won't be blessed, so it is a give to get scheme.

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