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Are you mixing the 2 Gospels together?

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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?

Nice realization, will you consider yourself a mid acts dispensationalist?
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
Just a note of correction Paul did not write any of the four Gospels, he wrote epistles.
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?

An ear that hears and an eye that sees knows where the treasure is hid.
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?

There is only ONE Gospel, Galatians 1:6-7.

Water baptism is not a work.
Jesus told his disciples to go, make disciples and baptise. Adult baptism is an outward sign of what has happened to us spiritually; we die to sin, (go under the water) and rise to new life with Christ, (are brought back out again).
Communion is a response to Jesus' command to "do this in memory of me."

They are both responses to God's grace - things that we do to show that we ARE saved, not things we do in order to BE saved.
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
The gospel is still the gospel of the Kingdom. The problem is the definition of salvation. It's been watered down to "get into heaven when you die".

I don't know where you get the idea that only Paul's writings are for the church today. Paul preached the Kingdom of God also.

Yes, many churches have a "grace plus works" kind of gospel. It has nothing to do with what books of the Bible they preach from.
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?

What is it exactly that causes you to believe that only Romans through Philemon was written to us and that there are two gospels?
 
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Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
I find that the message of the Gospels and Paul and Peter and John and James and Jude is the same. And in case you want to say there are no works at all involved in our salvation . . . what about preaching?
 
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I find that the message of the Gospels and Paul and Peter and John and James and Jude is the same. And in case you want to say there are no works at all involved in our salvation . . . what about preaching?

I don’t know if I would call that works…. to me that is one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things to do. And there is no conditional attachment for salvation, with preaching….

It (the ministry of reconciliation) along with justification, sanctification, redemption, and righteousness is one of our sonship rights as believers….
 
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There is only ONE Gospel, Galatians 1:6-7.

Water baptism is not a work.
Jesus told his disciples to go, make disciples and baptise. Adult baptism is an outward sign of what has happened to us spiritually; we die to sin, (go under the water) and rise to new life with Christ, (are brought back out again).
Communion is a response to Jesus' command to "do this in memory of me."

They are both responses to God's grace - things that we do to show that we ARE saved, not things we do in order to BE saved.

Indeed, there is only one Gospel according to St. Paul, this was initially preached orally by the Apostles but later written down by at least two of them, St. Matthew and St. John the Beloved Disciple, who also composed three Epistles and the Apocalypse, and then St. Mark, the owner of the house containing the Cenacle, and a disciple of St. Peter, later the first bishop of Alexandria, composed his Gospel, and St. Luke, a disciple of Paul, composed a Gospel text and the Acts of the Apostles. All four of these represent the One Gospel and when the Church began adopting a canon of the New Testament in response to forgeries and corruptions like the disgusting blasphemous “Infancy Gospel of Thomas” authored by the Manichaeans, the corrupt version of Luke and a subset of the Pauline Epistles used by the Marcionites, the false “Gospel of the Ebionites” used by the eponymous sect, the Tripartite Tractate composed by the Valentinians, the blasphemous Acts of John, the blasphemous Gospel of Judas, the corrupt Acts of Andrew and Acts of Thomas, and other psuedepigrapha like 1 Barnabas, which is not inherently heretical, and came closer than the rest of the psuedepigrapha to making it into the canon, but it was realized that the work was too obviously reflective of the exegetical method of the Catechtical School of Alexandria, and we don’t know that St. Barnabas was ever in Alexandria.

There is also a lost Gospel of the Hebrews, which is probably the original Aramaic version of Matthew, and possibly an orthodox Gospel according to Thomas that records the sayings of our Lord, but survives only in a form with heretical interpolations reflecting some Gnostic sect (if you were to purge these, you would have a list of sayings compatible with the three Synoptic Gospels, Mark, Matthew and Luke). Then there is the Gospel According to Peter, which is probably psuedepigraphical, although it could have been someone else put to writing St. Peter’s narration of the One Gospel, which survives only in a fragment that provides a vivid account of the Passion of our Lord, but gets a little weird towards the end with a Resurrection narrative featuring angels whose heads extended into the heavens and the Holy Cross floating around and speaking, which is possible, since the relics of the Holy Cross are known for miraculous healings, and in traditional Christianity we venerate, but do not worship, the Cross, just as we venerate the saints, icons of our Lord, and the Holy Bible or the Evangelion (Gospel Book). Then there is the Gospel According to Nicodemus, which may be legitimate or a pious forgery, and the Infancy Gospel of James, which reflects authentic Orthodox and Roman Catholic doctrine concerning the nativity and pregnancy of the Blessed Virgin Mary, but whose apostolic provenance was doubted by the early Church, although the work remained popular into the Middle Ages.

Of the four canonical Gospels, scholarship indicates that Mark was written first, followed by Luke-Acts and Matthew, and then the John. The tradition of the Church agrees, except it talks about Matthew being written in the Hebrew tongue (presumably Aramaic and not actually Hebrew, which was only a liturgical language by the time of Christ; its recent revival into the vernacular tongue of the State of Israel is an impressive national achievement). This I suspect is the Gospel of the Hebrews which survives only in quotes from the Church Fathers.

But together with the Pauline, Petrine, Lukan and Johannine writings, the unknown author of the Hebrews (widely considered to be St. Paul), and the epistles of Saints James and Jude, these collectively convey the Gospel handed down once to the Fathers, which is prophesied in the Old Testament.

Galatians 1:6-7 to reiterate states there is only one Gospel, and Galatians 1:8-9 states that anyone preaching another Gospel is anathema.
 
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what about preaching?
I don’t know if I would call that works…. to me that is one of the most enjoyable and rewarding things to do. And there is no conditional attachment for salvation, with preaching….
Well, there are different sorts of works >

works of the Law of Moses > "by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified" > in Galatians 2:16.

"not by works of righteousness which we have done" > in Titus 3:5

works which justify > James 2:24 > "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."

And in our ministering there are indeed actions included, and actions are works, I would say. Our actions of the Holy Spirit can minister God's own grace, I understand >

"And each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
I'd be interested to know the roots of this teaching. There is only one Gospel and Paul taught it as well as all the original Apostles. There is a warning against " another Gospel" so this tells us there is only one.

Galatians 1:9
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Blessings
 
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Well, there are different sorts of works >

works of the Law of Moses > "by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified" > in Galatians 2:16.

"not by works of righteousness which we have done" > in Titus 3:5

works which justify > James 2:24 > "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."

And in our ministering there are indeed actions included, and actions are works, I would say. Our actions of the Holy Spirit can minister God's own grace, I understand >

"And each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)

By the works we do, as we walk in Christ Jesus....we are rewarded for...but not to salvation or for justification, sanctification, redemption, and righteousness....that has all been made unto us.
When you read the Ephesian the first 3 chapters are all about what God has done and will do for us in Christ Jesus...There is not one verse of scripture from 1:1 - 3:31 that talks about anything we do to attain what God has done unto us....it is by Grace.
 
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Are you mixing the 2 Gospels together?

Are you anathema for preaching another gospel than the one Paul preached? (Galatians 1:8-9)

There is only one gospel (Galatians 1:6-7).
 
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The Bible was written to us, but only Paul’s 13 Epistles ( Romans-Philemon) was written for us! That is the Grace doctrine we have had for the last 2000yrs.
On the other hand, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached in the Gospels 2000yrs ago, headed up by Peter, James & John.
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Jesus said in 2Cor12v9 “My Grace is sufficient for you”. Nothing else required, no water baptism or communion, no ungodly sinners prayer, they are all works!
I know from experiencing denominational churches, how they all miss the mark.
The Bible was written in such a way, to have thousands of interpretations, that fall under the deluding influence. Where the mystery, God’s hidden wisdom in 1Cor2v7, is for those who He has chosen, for the Truth to be revealed.
Are you one, who maybe doesn’t realise it yet?
Paul said in 1 Cor. 1: 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

In Context Paul is talking about not baptizing, but He does mention baptizing some with Greek names in Corinth, so if it is wrong to water immerse baptize anyone, why did Paul water baptize some?
 
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What is it exactly that causes you to believe that only Romans through Philemon was written to us and that there are two gospels?

A good start would be a literal reading of Galatians 2:7-9 in the KJV.
 
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Read again and I said Paul’s 13 epistles.
Yes and then you wrote:
Most churches mix the 2 Gospels together, so that they become Grace by works.
Sounds very much like you are trying to claim that Paul wrote one of the two Gospels but maybe you can explain what you were trying to say and make it link up with the rest of your paragraph.
 
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I've read Galatians 2:7-9 in the KJV and see nothing indicating anything of the sort.

Are you reading it literally, without trying to insert your pre-determined view into the words?

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Simple question: When you read it literally, how many gospels are listed there? Resist the temptation to say, "But....." =)
 
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