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Are You Born Again?

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When I was trying to register at a Christian web-side last week, there was
a check-box marked ´Are You Born Again?´.
First I thought nothing much about it – it was an American site after all...

But then I realized that You could not register at all without marking this
particular check-box!

I was a bit perplexed about this since I would not use the ´Born Again´ to
characterize myself in terms of Christian belief.

The term, so I thought was mostly used by Evangelical Christians in the US…

Why this still seems to be true – I learned that even some Anglicans in the
C of E say that they are ´Born Again´.

There does not seem to be an official position about this in the C of E – and
why should it?
After all: The term is mentioned in Article XV of the XXXIX Articles of Religion
as can be observed below:

XV: Of Christ alone without Sin.

Christ in the truth of our nature was made like unto us in all things, sin only except,
from which he was clearly void, both in his flesh, and in his spirit. He came to be the
Lamb without spot, who, by sacrifice of himself once made, should take away the sins
of the world; and sin (as Saint John saith) was not in him. But all we the rest, although
baptized and born again in Christ, yet offend in many things; and if we say we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”



As everybody knows, the expression itself derives from:

John 3:3-5

“Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the
second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”




But here an interesting thing can be noted: Clearly ‘Born Again’ refers
to baptism
(Water and Spirit)!

So I am a bit doubtful as to making it into a ´special theological term´.

(I can understand Nicodemus´ question in the passage above).

_______________________________________________________________________

So: What do You think? Are You Born Again?
And if so: What does it mean for You?
 
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When I was trying to register at a Christian web-side last week, there was
a check-box marked ´Are You Born Again?´.
First I thought nothing much about it – it was an American site after all...

But then I realized that You could not register at all without marking this
particular check-box!

I was a bit perplexed about this since I would not use the ´Born Again´ to
characterize myself in terms of Christian belief.

The term, so I thought was mostly used by Evangelical Christians in the US…

Why this still seems to be true – I learned that even some Anglicans in the
C of E say that they are ´Born Again´.

There does not seem to be an official position about this in the C of E – and
why should it?
After all: The term is mentioned in Article XV of the XXXIX Articles of Religion
as can be observed below:

XV: Of Christ alone without Sin.

Christ in the truth of our nature was made like unto us in all things, sin only except,
from which he was clearly void, both in his flesh, and in his spirit. He came to be the
Lamb without spot, who, by sacrifice of himself once made, should take away the sins
of the world; and sin (as Saint John saith) was not in him. But all we the rest, although
baptized and born again in Christ, yet offend in many things; and if we say we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”



As everybody knows, the expression itself derives from:

John 3:3-5

“Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the
second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”




But here an interesting thing can be noted: Clearly ‘Born Again’ refers to baptism (Water
and Spirit)!

So I am a bit doubtful as to making it into a ´special theological term´.

(I can understand Nicodemus´ question in the passage above).

_______________________________________________________________________

So: What do You think? Are You Born Again?
And if so: What does it mean for You?
Welcome to CF! Born again is the indwelling of His Holy Spirit. All Christians are
" born again" unless they reject the Father making His Home in the them. Blessings.
 
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But here an interesting thing can be noted: Clearly ‘Born Again’ refers to baptism (Water
and Spirit)!

Others will disagree, but biblically the term refers to spirit baptism. I know there are many who want to incorporate water ...but it's a dry subject.... and that would include the account with Nicky, which Jesus clarifies in verse 6.
Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

That is about as clear as it gets....but human's (which are so much smarter than God) see some hidden meaning in this, because it's too simple.

Jesus was clear just before He cut out.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
In the vernacular, that reads.... When the greater comes the lesser is done away with.
 
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There are segments of Christianity that believe being born again is a singular emotional and spiritual experience that can be marked to a specific day and time. For those folks it is very important sometimes that one can cite a specific event, date, and time. While that may be true for some people, I believe being born again is a repudiation of the former self upon becoming Christian accompanied by a decision to walk differently from that point forward as a disciple of Christ.

I think if you have that spine tingling experience and do nothing to change how you live, claiming "born again" may be suspect.
 
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In Anglicanism, does 'born again' refer to the sacrament of Baptism? I know the terminology is not used much in liturgical churches.

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When I was trying to register at a Christian web-side last week, there was
a check-box marked ´Are You Born Again?´.
First I thought nothing much about it – it was an American site after all...

But then I realized that You could not register at all without marking this
particular check-box!

I was a bit perplexed about this since I would not use the ´Born Again´ to
characterize myself in terms of Christian belief.

The term, so I thought was mostly used by Evangelical Christians in the US…

Why this still seems to be true – I learned that even some Anglicans in the
C of E say that they are ´Born Again´.

There does not seem to be an official position about this in the C of E – and
why should it?
After all: The term is mentioned in Article XV of the XXXIX Articles of Religion
as can be observed below:

XV: Of Christ alone without Sin.

Christ in the truth of our nature was made like unto us in all things, sin only except,
from which he was clearly void, both in his flesh, and in his spirit. He came to be the
Lamb without spot, who, by sacrifice of himself once made, should take away the sins
of the world; and sin (as Saint John saith) was not in him. But all we the rest, although
baptized and born again in Christ, yet offend in many things; and if we say we have no
sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”



As everybody knows, the expression itself derives from:

John 3:3-5

“Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the
second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”




But here an interesting thing can be noted: Clearly ‘Born Again’ refers
to baptism
(Water and Spirit)!

So I am a bit doubtful as to making it into a ´special theological term´.

(I can understand Nicodemus´ question in the passage above).

_______________________________________________________________________

So: What do You think? Are You Born Again?
And if so: What does it mean for You?


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In Anglicanism, does 'born again' refer to the sacrament of Baptism?

In the Episcopal Church, the term shows up in our baptismal liturgy. From the prayer over the water:

We thank you, Father, for the water of Baptism. In it we are buried with Christ in his death. By it we share in his resurrection. Through it we are reborn by the Holy Spirit. Therefore in joyful obedience to your Son, we bring into his fellowship those who come to him in faith, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Now sanctify this water, we pray you, by the power of your Holy Spirit, that those who here are cleansed from sin and born again may continue for ever in the risen life of Jesus Christ our Savior.
 
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In Anglicanism, does 'born again' refer to the sacrament of Baptism?
In the C of E the term 'born again' has to my knowledge no connotations apart
from pointing to John:3.
I don't know how it is with the wider Anglican community.

John:3 is usually associated with baptism and (in continuance) starting afresh
(so to speak) and follow the path of righteousness.

I know the terminology is not used much in liturgical churches.
No, I wouldn't think so. At least not according to my experience.
 
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In the C of E the term 'born again' has to my knowledge no connotations apart
from pointing to John:3.
I don't know how it is with the wider Anglican community.

John:3 is usually associated with baptism and (in continuance) starting afresh
(so to speak) and follow the path of righteousness.


No, I wouldn't think so. At least not according to my experience.
thanks for the info
 
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In the Episcopal Church, the term shows up in our baptismal liturgy. From the prayer over the water:
Thanks! :) The Prayer is indeed beautiful.
But once again: It is in the context of baptism, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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John:3 is usually associated with baptism and (in continuance) starting
afresh (so to speak) and follow the path of righteousness.
I am quoting myself...:eek:

How this continuance that I mentioned fits in with infant baptism
is another question...
 
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The new birth is out of water and Spirit as it is written, but it is not physical water Lord Jesus is referring to in John 3...

Apostle Peter says that the new birth takes place out of the Word of God, which is His seed, quoting:

You have been born again, not out of seed corruptible, but incorruptible, through the word of God. 1 Peter 1:23)

The fact that the seed is the Word of God is certified by Lord Jesus in the parable of the sower. (The seed is the Word of God. Luke 8:21)

Whosoever is born of God... his seed remains in him. 1 John 3:9

The new birth is out of the living water which is the seed or the Word of God, and the Spirit. (Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. John 4:14)
 
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In Anglicanism, does 'born again' refer to the sacrament of Baptism? I know the terminology is not used much in liturgical churches.

Blessings
Frankly, it depends who you ask and how untethered they are from historical theology. You'll find some of the 'three streams' crowd, way out on the charismatic spectrum that used the language like any other charismatic is prone to do. Likewise, you'll find uber-reformed people who argue regeneration cannot possibly have anything to do with a sacrament.
 
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Do you want to explain what relevance a site called Scripture Catholic has to do with a discussion of "born again" in the Anglican Communion?
Some Patristic quotations would answer your question because they say we get born again through water baptism. Water baptism causes the rebirth.
 
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