Are we living inside an Atom??

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

Parallels between our Universe and the Atom:

- At the scale of the Universe and atoms, the conventional laws of physics begin to lose meaning, even gravity. Both Universal scale and atomic scale is best described using quantum mechanics.

- Gravity at the Universe scale is overpowered by an unknown force which scientists currently attribute to "dark matter". Gravity at the atomic level is simply overpowered by electromagnetic forces.

- Light is red shifted at extreme distances away from us. Light is also red shifted if passed through a BEC (Bose Einstein Condensate) which is like a one giant atom.

- Recent theories emerge that some black holes could be "Quark Stars". Quarks are theorized as the basic unit of atoms.

- Recent mass calculations of the Universe may suggest, the entire Universe is inside a one giant black hole. The total estimated mass of the Universe and size is within an estimated event horizon of the total mass of the Universe. Remember the connection between black holes and quarks

- Energy manifests in discreet levels in atoms. Light (also energy) also very surprisingly manifests in discreet levels across the entire span of the Universe.

- Finally, After all this time, we still can't explain why there is gravity, where is it coming from?

Are these mere coincidences only?? But why are there so many?? Would that be highly improbable?

Here are the BIGGER QUESTIONS....

ARE UNIVERSES EXISTING INSIDE ATOMS???

ENTIRE CIVILIZATIONS, GALACTIC FEDERATIONS, ROBOTIC EMPIRES, SUPER INTELLIGENT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, INNUMERABLE STARS, AND PLANETS IN OUR BODIES????

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

This notion brings a whole new meaning to these things said by Christ:

....The Kingdom of God is within you...

....Greater is He that is in you than He that is in the world...

Nithavela · Mar 15, 2016

chilehed · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

Yes, the Man in Black ending is close visual presentation!

But it would be more like the entire Universe contained inside an atom or quark (something the size of an electron).

The queerness of gravity at galactic scales may correspond to the queerness of forces at the subatomic level. We could in fact be "observing" the same phenomenon. Dark Matter could in fact correspond to one of the forces at the subatomic level!

Like for example, gravity is considered weaker than electromagnetic forces. But in black holes, gravitational forces overcome electromagnetic forces. We can observe a similar pattern of forces within subatomic particles. Black holes often tend to be analogs of subatomic particles and recently theorized to assume the properties of a subatomic quark. I mean wow!!! if that turns out to be true!!

The Cadet · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
- Recent theories emerge that some black holes could be "Quark Stars". Quarks are theorized as the basic unit of atoms.

This is just the most obvious example of you completely misunderstanding the science. "Quark Stars" are made up of quarks. They are not the same thing as quarks. You might as well be conflating quarks and german cream cheese. You don't seem to understand any of the concepts you bring up.

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

The Cadet said:
This is just the most obvious example of you completely misunderstanding the science. "Quark Stars" are made up of quarks. They are not the same thing as quarks. You might as well be conflating quarks and german cream cheese. You don't seem to understand any of the concepts you bring up.

Many articles state "quark stars" are made of "quark matter", quark degeneracy, bla bla bla....

I'll go with that! In the meantime, I'll talk to the atoms in my body, maybe they'll reply back somehow. Warn them not to mess with the Borg and the Klingons!

The Cadet · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
Many articles state "quark stars" are made of "quark matter", quark degeneracy, bla bla bla....

Yeah, see, here's your problem. You're dealing with some very heavy, very difficult scientific concepts, and your attitude is "Bla bla bla". That's not a good attitude.

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

The Cadet said:
Yeah, see, here's your problem. You're dealing with some very heavy, very difficult scientific concepts, and your attitude is "Bla bla bla". That's not a good attitude.

I am a data analyst, in fact, all scientists are... I look for improbable coincidences, that's my job. The properties I described in my OP, the chances of that coming together is extremely remote.

Just about anyone would realize that is incredibly improbable but it pulled through the odds.

The "bla bla bla" is for that feeling, someday, you'll be reading an article just like I wrote in my OP.

The Cadet · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
I am a data analyst. I look for improbable coincidences, that's my job. The properties I described in my OP, the chances of that coming together is extremely remote.

Didn't you ever learn not to invent trends where there are none? Or to understand the statistics you work with rather than invent data points out of completely missed connections? You don't know what a quark star is, yet you're presenting this as a "coincidence" that is improbable? Ugh.

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

The Cadet said:
Didn't you ever learn not to invent trends where there are none? Or to understand the statistics you work with rather than invent data points out of completely missed connections? You don't know what a quark star is, yet you're presenting this as a "coincidence" that is improbable? Ugh.

Quark stars are......not even the main discussion in this topic

Even if I got my thinking wrong about quark stars, I also discussed about red-shifting, gravity, our universe as being inside a black hole, and if there are possibly universes inside atoms.

The exponential decay of gravity at galactic scales is no longer being followed so astrophysicists assume there's another force at work.

It is analogous to the nuclear forces vs electrostatic forces in an atom. Near the Event Horizon of the Black Hole for example, gravity is stronger than electromagnetic forces, although gravity is considered a "weak" force as compared to electromagnetic forces. The nuclear forces in an atom, like gravity is likewise only stronger than electromagnetic forces at very short distances. A little further away, the electromagnetic forces is now the stronger force.

Astrophysicists have referred to it as "dark matter" and is behaving analogous to electromagnetic forces in an atom as gravity is to nuclear forces.

If the analogy in principle is close, we can't discount the possibility since we still don't have a very solid foundational knowledge of our Universe. Our Universe may indeed possess enough of what it needs to be a part of an atom that is upholding another scale or level of reality we cannot see, nor detect, just like our own atoms uphold our reality.

Sorry if this made anyone sleep!

The Cadet · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
Even if I got my thinking wrong about quark stars, I also discussed about red-shifting, gravity, our universe as being inside a black hole, and if there are possibly universes inside atoms.

Right, and you're wrong about every one of those, too! It didn't even take me 5 seconds on google to not only figure out that your explanation of BECs was wrong, but exactly where the misconception came from!

durangodawood · Mar 15, 2016

Atoms are too small to fit a universe inside.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
... The properties I described in my OP, the chances of that coming together is extremely remote.

None of the stuff in your OP 'comes together'.

Just about anyone would realize that is incredibly improbable but it pulled through the odds.

It's incredibly improbable that any self-respecting scientist would write such stuff except as pulp fiction.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but really?

timewerx · Mar 15, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
None of the stuff in your OP 'comes together'.
It's incredibly improbable that any self-respecting scientist would write such stuff except as pulp fiction.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but really?

What is harsh?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-Physicists-Ponder-On-the-Idea-of-Universe-In-An-Atom-93428.shtml

This came from the linked article:

how do we know all the little atoms don't have, you know, little universes in them, with little people living on them, with little cars and little houses, and maybe even itsy-bitsy tiny[...] international symposiums on cutting-edge theoretical physics, even."

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 15, 2016

timewerx said:
What is harsh?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-Physicists-Ponder-On-the-Idea-of-Universe-In-An-Atom-93428.shtml

This came from the linked article:

how do we know all the little atoms don't have, you know, little universes in them, with little people living on them, with little cars and little houses, and maybe even itsy-bitsy tiny[...] international symposiums on cutting-edge theoretical physics, even."

Sweet - even scientists have a sense of humour and the absurd, who'da thunk it?

But this stuff is from 1950's comic books (maybe also The Twilight Zone); Men In Black just revived it.

Chesterton · Mar 15, 2016

durangodawood said:
Atoms are too small to fit a universe inside.

Atoms have a lot of room inside, you just have to vacuum seal the universe, suck out all the dark matter.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Sweet - even scientists have a sense of humour and the absurd, who'da thunk it?

But this stuff is from 1950's comic books (maybe also The Twilight Zone); Men In Black just revived it.

Yep, I had an old comic with that kind of speck-sized universe story.

timewerx · Mar 16, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Sweet - even scientists have a sense of humour and the absurd, who'da thunk it?

But this stuff is from 1950's comic books (maybe also The Twilight Zone); Men In Black just revived it.

Yes, self-respect could only get you so far, the lack of it and the willingness to accept punishment as a reward is what legends are made of!

Eudaimonist · Mar 16, 2016

timewerx said:
ARE UNIVERSES EXISTING INSIDE ATOMS???

The reasons you give aren't enough to make this a rational possibility for me.

We could be living inside of a black hole, yes. That much is plausible.

eudaimonia,

Mark

timewerx · Mar 16, 2016

Eudaimonist said:
The reasons you give aren't enough to make this a rational possibility for me.

We could be living inside of a black hole, yes. That much is plausible.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Maybe if we observe the Universe from outside of it in the same distance (in relative terms) we observe atoms.

The nature of Quantum Mechanics itself is a clue - in a significant degree, it is dealing with mathematical probabilities - particles are not behaving with certainty as if an underlying elements are present that we could not perceive, model, nor directly observe.

Even in the macroscopic world, our reality, certain things about quantum mechanics can be directly observed like when the laws of probability becomes inexplicably being manipulated as if we are being observed by something we cannot see in the same manner we are observing subatomic particles.

So what could make subatomic particles behave in ways we could not at all explain other than in mathematical probabilities offered by Quantum Mechanics? Unseen structures which are exact representations of our universe only in subatomic size?

I'd like to think that in one atom out there, perhaps, in our bodies, in one of the Universes in there, someone is trying to get to their moon for the first time.. or..or.. trying to circumnavigate their planet in a water-borne vessel.. Yet in another, their triumphant success in achieving the first faster-than-light (at least in their universe) flight in a piloted craft! In another still, achieving their first friendly, extra-terrestrial contact with a similarly advanced civilization!

Is space really the last frontier, or are we in the last frontier already? It's all under our noses (literally!) after all these time!

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