Are thier accusations true? Rebuttal arguments

[NightEternal]

Okay, so here is a list of the charges being leveled against us. It is only right that we speak in our defense instead of allowing paranoid delusion and demonization to run rampant, so let the real truth be spoken right from our own keyboards.

Please address each one and establish what the actual scenario really is instead of overblown, unfounded rumor. I realize none of this will change certain minds, but for the benefit of the lurkers fact should be established instead of fiction.

We have been charged with:

* Engaging in incessant attacking, harrassment and baiting

* Being rude and mean-spirited

* Being hypocrites for wanting to enforce one single rule here while decrying the mass of Trad rules

* Being hypocrites for declaring our independence and then wanting to keep Woob out

* Forcing our theology and Adventist worldview on the Trads even after they have rejected them

* Forcing the Trads to defend what they believe against thier will

* Being immature for desiring to hold Woob accountable for his behavior

* Having a subforum that is a den of gossip and ridicule

* Hating our brother and not loving God

* Being liars

* Being filled with hatred for the church

* Experiencing chronic unhappiness over the fact the the Trads are happy and content in thier beliefs

* Fervently desiring the unhappiness of the Trads

* Imposing and concerning ourselves unneccessarily with the Trads' relationship with Christ

* Positioning ourselves as judges over the Trad's relationship with Christ

* Trying to change the Adventist faith for the worst

* Engaging in a lost cause by working for reform

* Compromising the Adventist message/faith

* Being miserable, bitter, back-biting people

* Wallowing in misery, ready to hit bottom

* Desiring to make the Trads question thier faith

* Desiring to weaken the faith of the Trads

* Desiring to take the Trads out of Adventism

I would particularly like to focus on the charge that we are wanting to drag the Trads out of the SDA church. Has that even been your intention or motivation in your time here? Do you even really care wether the Trads are in the church or not?

Finally, does it make you unhappy to see the Trads happy in thier faith? Does it bother you in any way?

Please, cry aloud and spare not. If the charge is garbage, then call it for what it is.

Let's hear what the real story is and not unfounded charges.

I also would like to point out that all of these listed flames combined would amount to about 25 reports, but I would prefer to actually address the lies instead of running crying to mommy and daddy mod like some people.

 

[sentipente]

Personally, I see no need to rebut statements that my brothers and sisters on the other side feel are necessary to be made so that they can sleep peacefully at night. Whenever one party has convinced itselt that it is at war with another party it finds that the will to fight cannot be maintained without first demonizing the other party. I read the accusations you speak of here and could only spare the time for a short chuckle.

I don't care what the Trads believe. What bothers me that they can only offer authority as the basis for their belief. They have obviously not seen the shipwreck made of many lives for whom the only basis for action or non-action was that "my church does not do that." If that ever was a valid reason for being it has long ceased to be. It is too sad that the Trads are not content to say, "I have never seen it that way. I'll have to take another look" and move on.

 

[StormyOne]

Night, those who call themselves traditionals are content in their beliefs and in leveling the accusations that they have... I am at the point in my life where I don't need to refute the things people may say about me..... as you get older I suspect you won't feel the need either..... afterall I am not going to let them dictate how I live my life....

Now if you think there is some merit in "defending" yourself or proving in your opinion that they are wrong, go right ahead.... its a nonissue for me.... what makes you think that they will respect you if you prove that they are incorrect? If they don't respect you now, and they don't, your defending yourself against their accusations is not going to change that.....IMO

 

[NightEternal]

Are we to then just allow thier lies, inaccuracies and misrepresentation of us to reign free on the forum with impunity?

That doesn't sit well with me at all guys. This is about setting the record straight.

 

[StormyOne]

Are we to then just allow thier lies, inaccuracies and misrepresentation of us to reign free on the forum with impunity?

That doesn't sit well with me at all Senti. This is about setting the record straight.

sure you can..... its not true and people will believe what they choose to believe... if a person decides to demonize you and they don't really know you, that says more about them than it does about you......

 

[mva1985]

It is too sad that the Trads are not content to say, "I have never seen it that way. I'll have to take another look" and move on.

I have done this very thing Senti even with you - even though it may have only been once ;-)

Everything in the Bible is worth taking another look at - it is a truly amazing book that one can make a lifetime study of.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Were these quotes from the reports some were pretty impressive such as:

* Forcing our theology and Adventist worldview on the Trads even after they have rejected them

* Forcing the Trads to defend what they believe against thier will


* Experiencing chronic unhappiness over the fact the the Trads are happy and content in thier beliefs

How could one over an electronic media force such things as; forcing a different theology on the Traditionals or forcing Traditionals to defend what they believe against their will? If they don't have the will to defend their beliefs how do they manage defend them at all? And most peculiar, how do they remain happy and content when acting against their own will?

 

[moicherie]

Are we to then just allow thier lies, inaccuracies and misrepresentation of us to reign free on the forum with impunity?

That doesn't sit well with me at all guys. This is about setting the record straight.

NE you will find that life is too short and to sweet to waste on certain issues. They do not put food on your table or breath in your body. Why give them so much power over your life on an internet?

 

[sentipente]

I have done this very thing Senti even with you - even though it may have only been once ;-)

Everything in the Bible is worth taking another look at - it is a truly amazing book that one can make a lifetime study of.

Personally, I am much more enamoured of the man who will stand up and denounce tyranny even if it will cost him. Those who stand aside and allow bullies, tyrants, dictators and oppressors to run free while keeping silent don't impress me much. In this microcosm of what must be life itself I have looked into the future and it is very dim. I have seen how it is that we have more to fear from those within than from those who are on the outside. I have seen how brothers can hand brothers over to the authorities. I now know how Christians of all stripes killed other Christians in Rwanda. I am more interested in those who defend me.

 

[jonno]

Hello everyone...this thread has reminded me why I left the forum about 2 years ago and......in turmoil the church. But for the grace of God, he still loves, forgives and keeps me.

 

[NightEternal]

An old thread, but a classic.

What was Joshua saying about this forum being a battleground?

Yes, it's been over a year since I been on. I don't recall there being a "progressive" SDA forum last I was here and I've been doing some back reading. It would appear that this place has turned somewhat into a battle ground. It saddens me to see this much animosity amongst fellow Christians. Again, I haven't been around so I won't sit here and try to pass judgment on any one person, but it appears as though there is fault on both sides. I hope that there will be some sort of resolution in the future, because it wouldn't appear as though the current situation is leading anywhere positive.

Joshua

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