Are there any Prophets here on these forums?

once i prophesied that a certain person that i did not know (we were praying for him at a prayer meeting - a relative or something) would come to salvation, in a certain way - that God would reveal himself to him in a certain way, that certain types of things would happen to bring him to the point of decision...... and apparantly it happened EXACTLY as i said....

i dont remember ANY of what i said except the general jist of it as i have just told it.

i actually prophesied in the same way another time about a friend who wanted a baby.... and it happened the same way.

mostly i think prophesy is exhortation and excouragement and stuff.... speaking for God - speaking His heart for the person.

I've always wondered...

joevberry - You said God has told you what people have done the night before and so on.. I have always had an issue with this b/c God is not a gossiper, so I wonder.. I don't think He'd reveal someone else's privacy to you if it was their own business. That is how I feel and see things.

Is that biblical ? For God to tell you someone else's private business?

And God knows I am not mocking Him or anything of the sort.. but that does stick in my mind.

kenneth558 said:

Lord Jesus, mle is being obedient to your clear commands to covet to prophesy. Please honor her for her obedience and grant her this desire of her heart and yours! Grant her your testimony!

Say mle, may I convince you to also believe the I Cor 11 head coverings teachings? These teachings (v.1-16) are immediately prior to the context of conduct inside the church (v.17), so they apply to praying and prophesying anywhere. Immediately prior to the head coverings teachings were are told that God's word is given for those of us upon whom the ends of the worlds are come (10:11). That's us.

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What are you suggesting? That I wear a hat or head coveirning in church?
Is that what the bible is telling me to do? Am I dishonouring my husband and the Lord if my head is not covered?

Prophesying by itself has no predictive element.
When linked with "Word of Wisdom" it can include predictions.
Be aware that sometimes what is mistaken for a "prediction" is actually the gift of faith manifesting. It only looks like a prediction.

mle said:

What are you suggesting? That I wear a hat or head coveirning in church?
Is that what the bible is telling me to do? Am I dishonouring my husband and the Lord if my head is not covered?

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Thank you for asking, mle. I'll consider the topic applicable to this thread (with Joe's permission...OK?) because the head coverings teachings apply directly to prophecying.

Its not me suggesting anything other than that we obey the Lord. The only reason I Cor 11:1-16 are difficult to understand is because the church around us is not obedient to them, and that confuses us. If you'll just receive the instruction that is plainly given, and let go of man's teachings and behaviors, you'll see how straightforward the Lord is being here.

The very first thing you have to see is that this half-chapter instructs us in behavior OUTSIDE of church. There is no scriptural teaching whatsoever that tells women to cover their heads in the service. Try this: find the division in I Corinthians that separates outside and inside church instructions. You'll see that division in v.17 of this chapter. Instructions prior to v.17 are for outside the church. After v.17 are inside. Head coverings are outside. Otherwise the Lord would be double-minded when He tells women not to participate verbally in the service in 14:34-35.

Have an appointment now. I have to go.....

kenneth558 said:

Thank you for asking, mle. I'll consider the topic applicable to this thread (with Joe's permission...OK?) because the head coverings teachings apply directly to prophecying.

Its not me suggesting anything other than that we obey the Lord. The only reason I Cor 11:1-16 are difficult to understand is because the church around us is not obedient to them, and that confuses us. If you'll just receive the instruction that is plainly given, and let go of man's teachings and behaviors, you'll see how straightforward the Lord is being here.

The very first thing you have to see is that this half-chapter instructs us in behavior OUTSIDE of church. There is no scriptural teaching whatsoever that tells women to cover their heads in the service. Try this: find the division in I Corinthians that separates outside and inside church instructions. You'll see that division in v.17 of this chapter. Instructions prior to v.17 are for outside the church. After v.17 are inside. Head coverings are outside. Otherwise the Lord would be double-minded when He tells women not to participate verbally in the service in 14:34-35.

Have an appointment now. I have to go.....

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I have many questions regarding this teaching. I Corinthians 11:13-16 seem to say that it is for us to decide ourselves. Did Jesus have long hair(verse14)? If I have short hair am I not covered and have no glory at all?

Could this teaching have to do with the custom of the day simmilar to the scripture referrrance of I Corinthians 14:34-35?

Is the womans head for the hat or the hat for the head?

mle said:

I have many questions regarding this teaching. I Corinthians 11:13-16 seem to say that it is for us to decide ourselves. Did Jesus have long hair(verse14)? If I have short hair am I not covered and have no glory at all?

Could this teaching have to do with the custom of the day simmilar to the scripture referrrance of I Corinthians 14:34-35?

Is the womans head for the hat or the hat for the head?

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I am so glad to see that you have questions!!! Would you like to be a new wineskin?

Nehemiah 8:14-17 was written for such a time as the time we're in now. The children of Israel had just been through 70 yrs of chastening. They were willing to be new wineskins or whatever else God wanted them to be. When the law was read, it told of a long forgotten custom, as you might say. It was a command of the Lord actually - to dwell in booths in the seventh month.

If you have ever been taught that we can now arbitrarily select certain New Testament teachings to classify as culture or time-specific, you've been taught wrong according to I Cor 10:11 - "Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

I Cor 11:16 does NOT say "But if any man seem to be contentious, we apostles and all the churches of God will just discontinue this custom." Neither does it say "...pretend we don't have this custom." Nor does it imply that only Corinth was being given this teaching. That would go against Paul's insistence that he was giving them the same instructions taught to other churches - 1:2, 4:17, 7:17, 11:16, 14:33, & 16:1. It says that the churches of God and the apostles had no such custom of doing something wrong. That wrong thing could be forsaking women's head coverings as the Corinthians were probably doing or simply being contentious. That's the only way to make sense of this!!!

You ask what "glory" might means. I think it refers to something akin to beauty or comeliness.

You ask about long hair. Paul uses long hair in this teaching as a parallel principle from nature. Very much like comparing the body of Christ to the human body in 12:12-27. Or comparing the passing of the gifts to a child becoming a man in 13:11. Or like musical instruments giving distinct sounds in 14:7. Etc., etc., etc. Paul does this all the time. He could just as well have said "Doth not even nature itself teach you it is a shame for a woman to prance around topless?" He is saying that God patterns the natural after the spiritual, and by observing the natural, we learn many spiritual things. So short hair is not the problem. Actually, it is the solution. It is the solution to hypocritical women that would want to pray and prophesy with head uncovered. Paul says they should bear their shame in the natural since they don't seem to mind it in the spiritual (11:5,6).

The historical record reveals that the early churches all understood Paul to be talking about a cloth veil head covering, not long hair. The only thing that wasn't clear to some of the early Christians was whether or not Paul's instructions apply to all females or only to married women. For more historical information, visit ScrollPublishing.com.

Jai___ said:

I've always wondered...

joevberry - You said God has told you what people have done the night before and so on.. I have always had an issue with this b/c God is not a gossiper, so I wonder.. I don't think He'd reveal someone else's privacy to you if it was their own business. That is how I feel and see things.

Is that biblical ? For God to tell you someone else's private business?

And God knows I am not mocking Him or anything of the sort.. but that does stick in my mind.

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Jai___, read my post #14. I believe it answers your question and concern. Look up the passages I provide. See how the unbelievers appreciated the secrets of their hearts being revealed. Even the woman at the well! But there have been plenty of hypocrites exposed through prophecy, too. Micah 2:7 - "Do not my words do good to him that walketh uprightly?" I LOVE to be prophesied to!!! It is so difficult to know my own problems. My heart is desperately wicked, who can know it? But if the Lord points it out to me, I can get off dead-center, so to speak.

Prophecy can deffinitely be abused. Satan can also establish false prophets. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 13 deal to some extent with these.
The Lords given me prophecies that have come to pass. Some are on my homepage (See in my profile)
The question was raised if prophecy is used to witness to unbelievers. Yes, at times. I'll share an example. About 12 years ago I was witnessing to a Muslim and a Jehovahs Witness. During the course of our conversation the Lord must have moved upon me. I turned to both of them and proclaimed a certain building was going to burn down soon, and when they saw it on the news, know that the LORD has shown you this! The event happened only a few hours later, and both men seeing it on the news that morning, told me "Hey, didn't you just say this last night? There must be something to what you say then." I responded, "It's God who showed you, not me."
The Muslim began to go to church, much to the dismay of his Muslim brethren. I don't know as he actually asked Christ into his life... I think he did, but kept it "secret", maybe due to his former religion. About a year later after i'd moved away, he sent me a Christmas card with Mary and Jesus on it, and the wording exalted Christ as our Lord, our God, and our Saviour. I don't think a Muslim in their faith would proclaim such a message, as it would go against their teachings. So yes, God used prophecy to witness to those 2 men, and there was fruit evident from one of them.

Joe, No one ever said you were lying. But the way you made it seem was as though God would say something like, "Hey Joe, Mary was at the club last night and she had sex with a man she didn't know!"... What I am saying is God would not just tell you things unless He had a point, but you made it seem as though you were God's confidante and He'd just tell you people's secrets without telling you to DO something with the things He told you.

Kenneth - Thanks.. I am still questioning though..... I guess I will pray on it and ask God to show me how it works persay

I have difficulty recognizing what is prophacy and what is called word of knowledge which might accompany a prophacy.

Example. My husband had just moved to town.. Didn't know anyone, or even what churches we're available. We we're in a grocery store, and we noticed this man looked over at us, and walked over and shook our hands, and said " You both are Christians aren't you? I would like you to know that the Lord knows that you are searching for a church".. and I would like to invite you to our services on Sunday. He introduced himself, and He is the Pastor of the church we attened now.

Would this be word of knowledge?

Then one time I was deeply impressed to say something to a couple that I had no idea what was going on in their life. But felt to say something, and they we're stunned, and said it was the 3rd confirmation that they had in as many days. And it came to pass.
So is this word of knowledge, prophacy, or what.? Even if it was called prophacy, I would never want to be called one, has a lot of responsibility with it to get it right!.

I would never presume to use the term prophet when referring to myself. But I have recieved so many bits of information about God that came from seemingly nowhere right into my consciousness that later were revealed as pieces of the puzzle.

I could tell you what some of them are, but they all have to do with the revelation of who God is and why I am to seek God. It's not like fortelling the future, but rather understanding history, the present time and the relevance of God to the World outside of the constraints of time and space.

According to the ancient religious manuscripts that I've studied that is is called "infused knowledge". It often feels like you came up with an idea as if it was your own, but it didn't come from me. The thing that makes it different though, is the revelation of how the information fitls like puzzle pieces fit together, and keep fitting together the more I study. I keep finding the same information, written by different authors, different languages, different times in history as the information that I have been given by infused knowledge. It's spiritually unfathomable how awesome it all is. It is the constant reminder that God exists and is directing my path.

I hope you will forgive me for speaking on this thread. I was born, and brought up in the Assembly's of God church....but I do not consider myself a practicing charasmatic. So, I hope with all my heart that you will read what I said with as much Christian charity as I felt when wanting to share it with you all here.

God Bless,
Wisdom Seeker

Wisdom Seeker said:

I would never presume to use the term prophet when referring to myself. But I have recieved so many bits of information about God that came from seemingly nowhere right into my consciousness that later were revealed as pieces of the puzzle.

I could tell you what some of them are, but they all have to do with the revelation of who God is and why I am to seek God. It's not like fortelling the future, but rather understanding history, the present time and the relevance of God to the World outside of the constraints of time and space.

I read in one of the many ancient religious manuscripts that I've studied that is is called "infused knowledge". It often feels like you came up with an idea. Like a lightbulb being turned on. The thing that makes it different though is the revelation of how the puzzle pieces fit together, an keep fitting together. In fact, with every new piece of religious history or phylosophy book I read, I keep finding the same information, written by different authors, different languages, different times in history. It's spiritually unfathomable how awesome it all is.

I hope you will forgive me for speaking on this thread. I was born, and brought up in the Assembly's of God church....but I do not consider myself a charasmatic. So, I hope with all my heart that you will read what I said with as much Christian charity as I felt when wanting to share it with you all here.

God Bless,
Wisdom Seeker

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Welcome Wisdom Seeker, There are many Assembly of God people on this thread, yes the workings of God are awsome. Thank you for your post. I am a mixture here, Assembly of God and Word of Faith, Have you looked at the first thread on Post here first. We are a mix, LOL.

I was AoG when I first got saved. I believe in Word of Faith, but not the abuse of it.
Main thing is, do we believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today? Do we excercise those gifts in accordance with Gods will, and not our own? we should always seek to proclaim the message God gives us in prophecy, word of knowledge or word of wisdom.
Theres different understandings of what these 3 are. Some people say word of knowledge is just a word God gives you about something you couldn't know. Some people say its prediction of the future. (That would be word of knowledge piggyback on prophecy then.) Some say word of wisdom is Gods wisdom imparted to you in certain situations, such as wisdom to solve a certain problem. Others say the word of wisdom is about the future. Prophecy can be predictive, or can be an edifying word from God. All 3 work very closely together, and I don't honestly know where one begins and the other ends. All 3 seem to flow together so much. as long as Christ is being uplifted, thats what counts.

Starcrystal
Prophecy can be predictive, or can be an edifying word from God. All 3 work very closely together, and I don't honestly know where one begins and the other ends. All 3 seem to flow together so much. as long as Christ is being uplifted, thats what counts.Today 04:53 PM

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I have seen so many abuses of this, I'm leary to believe whats being said to alot of people. It seems like alot of people are being told that they are going into the ministry, or their going to be doing this particular thing, I have even seen people move to a certain location believing this, because they we're told to. They neither feel the call or they wreck their lives. It just seems like people are being prophacied over in mass. It does bother me a bit.

Trish1947 said:

I have seen so many abuses of this, I'm leary to believe whats being said to alot of people. It seems like alot of people are being told that they are going into the ministry, or their going to be doing this particular thing, I have even seen people move to a certain location believing this, because they we're told to. They neither feel the call or they wreck their lives. It just seems like people are being prophacied over in mass. It does bother me a bit.

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You're right to be leary, Trish. What you have described is tragically, all too common, because people arent leary. And even worse, some treat the prophetic the way they would a fortune teller. (God help those who have prophetic gifts and treat them that way!)

It doesnt matter who gives you (or anyone else) a prophetic word, even if they're the most respected person you know, you have the responsibility to check it against scripture and to also check it against wisdom. The sad fact is many of these people wouldnt have shipwrecked their lives over a so-called prophetic word if they had just used a little common sense.

BTW, if you havent already done so, please post a reply to "The Problem with Prophets and Prophesy. Your cautions and objections are exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for.

Thanks,
PottersClay

Trish1947,

I have seen so many abuses of this, I'm leary to believe whats being said to alot of people. It seems like alot of people are being told that they are going into the ministry, or their going to be doing this particular thing, I have even seen people move to a certain location believing this, because they we're told to. They neither feel the call or they wreck their lives. It just seems like people are being prophacied over in mass. It does bother me a bit.

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I totally agree with you. There are people who claim the gift of prophecy, and go around making all kinds of pronouncements over people. Half the stuff they say is just off the top of their head, to sound good. Sometimes people get a thought and think its from God, but don't bother to test where that idea came from. 1 john 4 tells us to test the spirits and prove whether they are from God or not. So many don't do this. they get so off track its unreal. Satan can easily give messages as well and can come as an "angel of light" (2 Cor. 11) So I agree fully about there being abuses. We should seek Gods will and confirmation in matters of prophecy.
Scripture tells us, "When the word of the prophet comes to pass, then shall that prophet be known." So many "prophets" don't even operate in this fashion. They either don't give any type of message from God, or else they predict things that never happen. These prophets, when examined in light of scripture, are false prophets. (Deuteronomy 13:1 - 4, & 18:18 - 20