Are there any non-Catholic cases of the Stigmata?

mont974x4 · Jul 7, 2008

I find it sad, but oddly funny, that some would think its blasphemy to deny the stigmata episodes as being some mark of holiness, or even consider them to be the work of the enemy when there is no Scriptural case for anything like it.

Is there a biblical example of God bringing illness or injury to a godly person?

Yarddog · Jul 7, 2008

mont974x4 said:
I find it sad, but oddly funny, that some would think its blasphemy to deny the stigmata episodes as being some mark of holiness, or even consider them to be the work of the enemy when there is no Scriptural case for anything like it.

Hello Mont,
I'm not sure that I saw anyone say anything about it being blasphemy to deny a stigmata. If you are referring to what I have said about blaspheme, I explain a little better.
Simonthezealot made a statment that the stigamata were given by Satan. I reminded him that Jesus said that attributing something from God as being from Satan would be blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. I personally don't know if any of the stigmata are from God or not but I certainly would not say they were from Satan without proof positive.

Is there a biblical example of God bringing illness or injury to a godly person?

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Some point to this as an example:
Galatians 6:17
From now on, let no one make troubles for me; for I bear the marks of Jesus on my body.

I personally believe that he is referring to all the marks that he received from his many beatings.

Paul also says this:
2 Corinthians 12:
6 Although if I should wish to boast, I would not be foolish, for I would be telling the truth. But I refrain, so that no one may think more of me than what he sees in me or hears from me
7 because of the abundance of the revelations. Therefore, that I might not become too elated, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, an angel of Satan, to beat me, to keep me from being too elated.
8 Three times I begged the Lord about this, that it might leave me,
9 but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." I will rather boast most gladly of my weaknesses, in order that the power of Christ may dwell with me.

Exactly what the thorn in the flesh was, no one knows, but God wanted to keep Paul humble.

In the OT, God allowed Satan to test Job. The 1st line says:
Job 1:1
In the land of Uz there was a blameless and upright man named Job, who feared God and avoided evil.
Satan was allowed to strip Job of all he had. He killed Job's family but when Job still didn't blaspheme God Satan was allowed to harm Job physically but he couldn't kill him.
Job 2:7
So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD and smote Job with severe boils from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head.

Does any of this prove stigmata? I don't think so.
If there is proof of stigmata, it is not in scripture but in the lives of those that experience them.

God Bless,
Yarddog

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mont974x4 · Jul 7, 2008

OK, no biblical basis for stigmata.

You know, I know many people who godly and righteous people who suffer from all sorts of ailments....we don't go about claiming they are anything special. Not even those who got extremely ill as a result of serving Christ.

Kristos · Jul 7, 2008

mont974x4 said:
OK, no biblical basis for stigmata.

You know, I know many people who godly and righteous people who suffer from all sorts of ailments....we don't go about claiming they are anything special. Not even those who got extremely ill as a result of serving Christ.

So, what's your favorite chainsaw? I'm thinking about upgrading to a Husqvarna 455 Rancher with a 20" bar. What do you think?

mont974x4 · Jul 7, 2008

I have an 18" poulan. Small enough to work with but big enough to do what I need it to.

NavyFMFHM04 · Aug 21, 2008

So reading through this thread I have come to the realization I know nothing about stigmata other then what has been displayed through movies. Im currently reading the bible officially for the first time...I've tried many times before but skipped around to much. My question is similar to what the thread was officially created for, is stigmata something only made popular through catholicism and if so then why? Is it because they hold the farthest back documents of it or....well i don't know i guess I don't understand STIGMATA. I do know one thing though, as Christians we require a lot of Fait and hope. So as far as Stigmata goes I can't say yes or no to whether i believe in it because the lack of understaning, but if i did know more about it and there was no given proof that it was of the devil then yes i would have to put faith in that it was real. SCARY LOOKING AND KIND OF FREAKY BUT REAL!!

simonthezealot · Jul 7, 2010

mont974x4 said:
I have an 18" poulan. Small enough to work with but big enough to do what I need it to.

Mines electric and only works on small trees. Craftman i think.

Tangible · Jul 7, 2010

MrPolo said:
Oh, I missed that. But I can't read more about it either...the footnote is a broken link.

I was going to run the link through the wayback machine, but the article has been changed and the link isn't there any more.

simonthezealot · Jul 7, 2010

According to Rita Marley, Rastafarian Haile Selassie was a stigmata.
Rastafari, Rasta, Rastafarianism - ReligionFacts

Athanasias · Jul 7, 2010

I have seen on unsolved mysteries in the 80's a Orthodox Christian women bear the marks of stigmata. I have heard about one Lutheran who also did. But I do not know more about them. I think it is a Catholic gift primarily but some others may seem to have it authentically as we know St. Paul also did.

MrPolo · Jul 7, 2010

simonthezealot said:
According to Rita Marley, Rastafarian Haile Selassie was a stigmata.
Rastafari, Rasta, Rastafarianism - ReligionFacts

Bob Marley's wife, I see. And she said she thought this Rastafarian fellow was a divine being too.... Hmmmmmmm....

Lulav · Jul 7, 2010

MrPolo said:
This is not a thread to supposedly "debunk" Catholic cases of the Stigmata (although we all know it will lead to that)

But, does anyone know of any non-Catholic cases of the Stigmata? I would love to read about it!!

Do you consider Paul Catholic?

Lulav · Jul 7, 2010

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure .

thorn =

a pointed piece of wood, a pale, a stake
a sharp stake, splinter

17 From henceforth let no man trouble me : for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. Galatians 6:17

Marks = stigmata a mark pricked in or branded upon the body. To ancient oriental usage, slaves and soldiers bore the name or the stamp of their master or commander branded or pricked (cut) into their bodies to indicate what master or general they belonged to, and there were even some devotee's who stamped themselves in this way with the token of their gods

simonthezealot · Jul 7, 2010

MrPolo said:
Bob Marley's wife, I see. And she said she thought this Rastafarian fellow was a divine being too.... Hmmmmmmm....

The stigmata was one of the purposes she thought as much.

From that article...
Rita Marley, Bob Marley's wife, converted to the Rastafari faith after seeing Haile Selassie; she said she saw stigmata appear on him and was instantly convinced of his divinity. Further evidence of his divinity was seen in the fact that a serious drought ended with rain upon his arrival.

simonthezealot · Jul 7, 2010

Lulav said:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure .

thorn =

a pointed piece of wood, a pale, a stake

a sharp stake, splinter

17 From henceforth let no man trouble me : for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. Galatians 6:17

Marks = stigmata a mark pricked in or branded upon the body. To ancient oriental usage, slaves and soldiers bore the name or the stamp of their master or commander branded or pricked (cut) into their bodies to indicate what master or general they belonged to, and there were even some devotee's who stamped themselves in this way with the token of their gods

This does not mean Paul literally had the scars of crucifixion. Rather, it indicates that Paul's body was scarred due to his commitment to follow Christ.

Jesus suffered the wounds that we wouldn't, these fakes make a mockery of Christ and His word.

Isa 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

Lulav · Jul 7, 2010

simonthezealot said:
This does not mean Paul literally had the scars of crucifixion. Rather, it indicates that Paul's body was scarred due to his commitment to follow Christ.

Jesus suffered the wounds that we wouldn't, these fakes make a mockery of Christ and His word.

Isa 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

Yes, I agree, all the fakes.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure .

thorn =

a pointed piece of wood, a pale, a stake
a sharp stake, splinter

17 From henceforth let no man trouble me : for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. Galatians 6:17

Marks = stigmata a mark pricked in or branded upon the body. To ancient oriental usage, slaves and soldiers bore the name or the stamp of their master or commander branded or pricked (cut) into their bodies to indicate what master or general they belonged to, and there were even some devotee's who stamped themselves in this way with the token of their gods.

the Greek is pretty plain: stigmata en sōmati = marks in body

I did not say these were crucifixion marks even though that is the normal translation of the word Stigmata.

From wiki:

Stigmata are bodily marks, sores, or sensations of pain in locations corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. The term originates from the line at the end of Saint Paul's Letter to the Galatians where he says, "I bear on my body the marks of Jesus." Stigmata is the plural of the Greek word stigma, meaning a mark or brand such as might have been used for identification of an animal or slave. An individual bearing stigmata is referred to as a stigmatic.
The causes of stigmata may vary from case to case. Stigmata are primarily associated with the Roman Catholic faith. Many reported stigmatics are members of Catholic religious orders. The majority of reported stigmatics are female

A thorn in the flesh or stigmata in the body are not just on the surface.

cobweb · Jul 7, 2010

According to the writings of St Theodoret (c. 393 – c. 457) The marks mentioned in Galatians are the scars of the persecution Paul endured. He compares the scars of the members of the Council of Nicea with the "stigmata" of Paul.

cobweb · Jul 7, 2010

Here is an excerpt:

"At this period many individuals were richly endowed with apostolical gifts; and many, like the holy apostle, bore in their bodies the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ. James, bishop of Antioch, a city of Mygdonia, which is called Nisibis by the Syrians and Assyrians, raised the dead and restored them to life, and performed many other wonders which it would be superfluous to mention again in detail in this history, as I have already given an account of them in my work, entitled “Philotheus". Paul, bishop of Neo-Cæsarea, a fortress situated on the banks of the Euphrates, had suffered from the frantic rage of Licinius. He had been deprived of the use of both hands by the application of a red-hot iron, by which the nerves which give motion to the muscles had been contracted and rendered dead. Some had had the right eye dug out, others had lost the right arm. Among these was Paphnutius of Egypt. In short, the Council looked like an assembled army of martyrs. "

Athanasias · Jul 7, 2010

I have seen on unsolved mysteries in the 80's a Orthodox Christian women bear the marks of stigmata. I have heard about one Lutheran who also did. But I do not know more about them. I think it is a Catholic gift primarily but some others may seem to have it authentically as we know St. Paul also did.

Seeking Him · Jul 7, 2010

Athanasias said:
I have seen on unsolved mysteries in the 80's a Orthodox Christian women bear the marks of stigmata. I have heard about one Lutheran who also did. But I do not know more about them. I think it is a Catholic gift primarily but some others may seem to have it authentically as we know St. Paul also did.

I saw a show also about a Protestant woman who had the stigmata. They actually showed it. She was bleeding in her hands, but not profusely.

There is also a non denominational woman in the "signs and wonders" movement who has experienced the stigmata. She also has had the "glory dust" appear on her.

Are there any non-Catholic cases of the Stigmata?

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