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are our future sins forgiven ? are we arrogant to preach this doctrine? please provide scriptural basis for your answers ....
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are our future sins forgiven ? are we arrogant to preach this doctrine? please provide scriptural basis for your answers ....
Well, it has to be, otherwise Romans 10:9 would be a lie. Sure, some may say that this is saying that we have a license to sin and rebel against God as we please. But, God still has plenty of ways to get us to conform to His will. Say you murder someone - God would be willing to forgive you, but the law won't. So, after going to jail for the rest of your life, you will still be saved. Only difference is that you chose the low road, and not the high road of God's will. Simple.
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playing devils advocate: this would seem to suggest that Christs atonement was not for all sin,past,future,and present because we must continually confess sin to be forgiven it .
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Well yes unless you wanted to walk out of fellowship with God. (and I am not talking losing salvation here)
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ABlessedAnomaly
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Not at all. We confess our sins at salvation, and God is faithful to forgive all of them.
Let me ask you, have you INDIVIDUALLY confessed EVERY sin you've EVER committed? That would be quite a feat. And with God's requirement of perfection (which we only obtain through Christ's sacrifice and imputation of righteousness to us) then if you missed just one, then you are lost.
But that is not the requirement. It is that you confess that you are a sinner, not that you confess your individual sins, and God is faithful to forgive you. See 1 John 3:9 for the results of that salvific act.
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ABlessedAnomaly
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Well, when Jesus died on the cross to forgive men their sins -- how many had you committed? Were you even born? Or does Jesus have to face the sacrifice over and over each time you sin?are our future sins forgiven ? are we arrogant to preach this doctrine? please provide scriptural basis for your answers ....
Jesus paid for all your sins and nailed the requirements to the cross. All of them, snappyjo. Each and every one was paid for 2000 years ago -- including all those your have yet to commit.
Remember one more thing: God created time; He is outside of time and knows our past, present and future. He already has seen every sin that you will commit. And He still forgave you!
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I sure wish we could learn to read the Bible for its intended message to us, instead of trying to search out words to make into laws.
As was said earlier, you cannot confess every sin.... you aren't sharp enough to remember them all.
This clearly tells us NOT to be arrogant, but to be open and willing to admit that we are sinners. Nothing more.
As was said earlier, you cannot confess every sin.... you aren't sharp enough to remember them all.
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ABlessedAnomaly
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LOL. Every denomination wishes all other would come to this, and thus their, understanding. Although I agree with you, one has to ask: who decides the "intended message?"
Yes but some use this set of verses (1 John 1:5-10) to condemn the believer into thinking that they can lose salvation, saying that we must confess each and every sin that we do (even if we combine them daily into 'sins of the day').
Take verse 8 above "if we claim to be without sin" and juxtapose that against what God tells us through John just a couple chapters later:
1 John 3:7-9
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
What does this tell me in light of 1 John 1? Verse 8 tells me that whoever sins is of the devil. Verse 9 tells me that if you are born of God then you do not sin, in fact you cannot sin.7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
1 John 1 is telling us where we've been. We cannot deny that we were sinners; we also cannot deny that we sin daily. And a reminder to the believer and an admonition to the unbeliever that we must confess our sin for His forgiveness.
1 John 3 is telling us that having been washed in Jesus' blood we are clean. We do not practice sin any longer, for we have His seed in us, we are born of God. We may stumble, but we are not sinners (any longer). In God's eyes, we cannot sin.
I was a sinner, and now I am saved by Grace.
There were some very good discussions on this subject here on CF: Joseph Prince interpretation of 1 John 1:9
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ABlessedAnomaly
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Who is this message directed at? If it is in response to my response of you here, then I am quite serious.
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God paid the price for all of our sins. He paid the price for the sins of the people in Hell since His death and resurrection too. We are in a covenant relationship with a person. If we transgress, we must repent, and then we can benefit from the blood sacrifice that was paid for all men.
Although God's ways are higher, He is a lot like us and has the same emotions that we do. We know of His jealousy because we know of jealousy. We know and appreciate humor, because God has a sense of humor. We know of anger and betrayal. We know patience and forgiveness. We stand ready to forgive, but the pattern given in the scripture is that when a person sins, they turn to God and repent.
New believers turn to God, and He changes them. After that they have the ability to repent when they sin. With all sin, blood must be applied and that is readily offered for those who repent to the Lord, by virtue of His one time sacrifice.
There are sins of commission and omission. As the Lord pointed out, if we don't love the people He places within our paths, including helping the sick, in prison, etc., we will have denied the Lord and He will deny us. It's important not to assume that no matter what we do (or don't) that we're "covered". We start new and fresh with each repentance and faith. If we become defiled, we MUST repent and believe.
No defilement is allowed in Heaven, and only the pure in heart will see God. You can look within yourself and determine where you stand.
It's important to note that we repent for the sins we are convicted of (individually). If we find ourselves without the presence of God, or that are fruits are suffering, we ask the Lord to forgive our presumption or anything else we're currently not aware of. He usually convicts us from time to time (even when we don't know we need it) as we hear the Word. There is a LOT He would deal with us about, but He loves us and brings us to repentance and a more narrow walk as we submit to Him. We may abide, but our fruit wanes, and He asks us to look more deeply into certain areas of our walks. As we do this, our fruit improves. Repentance is ongoing and we ask forgiveness for specific sins as the Holy Spirit convicts.
Although God's ways are higher, He is a lot like us and has the same emotions that we do. We know of His jealousy because we know of jealousy. We know and appreciate humor, because God has a sense of humor. We know of anger and betrayal. We know patience and forgiveness. We stand ready to forgive, but the pattern given in the scripture is that when a person sins, they turn to God and repent.
New believers turn to God, and He changes them. After that they have the ability to repent when they sin. With all sin, blood must be applied and that is readily offered for those who repent to the Lord, by virtue of His one time sacrifice.
There are sins of commission and omission. As the Lord pointed out, if we don't love the people He places within our paths, including helping the sick, in prison, etc., we will have denied the Lord and He will deny us. It's important not to assume that no matter what we do (or don't) that we're "covered". We start new and fresh with each repentance and faith. If we become defiled, we MUST repent and believe.
No defilement is allowed in Heaven, and only the pure in heart will see God. You can look within yourself and determine where you stand.
It's important to note that we repent for the sins we are convicted of (individually). If we find ourselves without the presence of God, or that are fruits are suffering, we ask the Lord to forgive our presumption or anything else we're currently not aware of. He usually convicts us from time to time (even when we don't know we need it) as we hear the Word. There is a LOT He would deal with us about, but He loves us and brings us to repentance and a more narrow walk as we submit to Him. We may abide, but our fruit wanes, and He asks us to look more deeply into certain areas of our walks. As we do this, our fruit improves. Repentance is ongoing and we ask forgiveness for specific sins as the Holy Spirit convicts.
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Have you noticed that even though by His stripes, we WERE already healed, we still sometimes get sicked or diseased. The penalty was paid and we already have the benefit, but we must qualify by coming to Him and meet the condition. In the case of sickness, we must believe, and repent if we let the door open by sinning.
The same thing goes for our iniquities. We come to him repentantly and believe that He forgives us. He is faithful and just to do so when we confess.
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You can't rule out, that some create their own conditions to sin.
Paul taught if we cause them to break their vow , we are guilty as well even if we are not in that bondage.
Example : let's say a preacher is of the opinion , a poster of Elvis is Idolatrous.
He believes you are worshiping the picture. Most people could walk by glance and go on.
My point is not all things are sin to all people, but they are real sin to those who choose to commit their belief and vow . Thank God for his judgement on me not man.
I know when I have sinned, the Holy Spirit guides and convicts.
Guess what I do not live in sin, nor do I sin everyday.
We can control our flesh ,we can not let sin hold us back, if we dwell on sin all day Satan won the day Quote( if we don't embarrass sin , sin will embarrass, us)
Paul taught if we cause them to break their vow , we are guilty as well even if we are not in that bondage.
Example : let's say a preacher is of the opinion , a poster of Elvis is Idolatrous.
He believes you are worshiping the picture. Most people could walk by glance and go on.
My point is not all things are sin to all people, but they are real sin to those who choose to commit their belief and vow . Thank God for his judgement on me not man.
I know when I have sinned, the Holy Spirit guides and convicts.
Guess what I do not live in sin, nor do I sin everyday.
We can control our flesh ,we can not let sin hold us back, if we dwell on sin all day Satan won the day Quote( if we don't embarrass sin , sin will embarrass, us)
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Yes I agree there are consequences to sin. I have not really thought that out, but I know in my life if I enter into hardness of heart or complaining that sickness has come on me. I am quick to repent when I wake up spiritually.
PS I have reached a milestone. 333 posts. Yea
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I do not think we have to leave a door open for illness to besiege us.
I agree if you start speaking it into you life it will manifest, often times we open our mouthes and curse our selves.
We tell others how bad our backs are and so on, we shouldn't deny a illness we should deny its right.
That's why WOF is called name it and claim it. People think we are naming cash ,when were naming tribulation and denying its right by claiming Gods Word.
That is what sets us apart , we believe the promises of God are always yes and amen
Un fortunately others think God is a gamble.
You ever looked at someones sad face going through trouble, when they say well its in Gods hands and were praying it be his will? Bless God we know its his will by his Word we only need to pray the Word , by his stripes I am healed.
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I just wanted to point out that what I meant by posting this was that even though the price had been paid by Jesus with His blood, that it needed to be appropriated by the conditions in the Word. In the case of forgiveness for a Christian, by repenting and confessing our sins, and having faith in the mercy and grace of God, and in healing by faith (with patience) , and if need be, by repentance.
God did these things even from the foundation of the world in the mind of God, but for us, we enter into the doorway of life and blessing by turning from our own ways (repentantly) with faith. It is not a one time event, but as we need it.
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John 5:14 Jesus said to the man He healed not to sin again or his punishment woud be worse.
Exodus 34:7 says we pay for sins for 3 lifetimes and blessings follow for 1000 lifetimes.
That is why some have great lives and others have terrible. There are no coincidences.
Exodus 34:7 says we pay for sins for 3 lifetimes and blessings follow for 1000 lifetimes.
That is why some have great lives and others have terrible. There are no coincidences.
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