Are Mormons Christians?

[Sunny_Seraphim]

While, yes, Mormons do acknowledge Jesus Christ died for our sins... They deny the Holy Trinity, say God was created, that he has a corporeal body, and beleive in the Book of Mormon along with the Bible...

Thus, I wonder... Are they Christians? Do they go to Heaven when they die? I know some Mormons, and they are VERY kind, nice people! Though, debating with them is difficult... Yet, nonetheless, I worry for their Heavenly life...

Any thoughts or help?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Mormons do not go to Heaven when they die. They do not go to Hell, either, according to their theology.

In Mormon theology the atonement of Jesus Christ has provided universal salvation (which is actually only physical resurrection) for all of mankind. However, not all of mankind spends eternity in the same place. There are four destinations, as follow:

1. Celestial Kingdom. This is where all Mormons who have been fully obedient to the commands of Heavenly Father (not to be confused with the Triune God of orthodox Christianity) go after death. Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (separate gods, but united in purpose) live there. There are various degrees of exaltation within Celestial Kingdom and the best of the very most obedient Mormons get to become gods themselves. All Mormons in Celestial Kingdom are married to their spouses they had on earth (which mean multiple wives for every man) and they procreate and produce "spirit children" even as Heavenly Father (and Mother) did to create them in their pre-mortal existence.

2. Terrrestial Kingdom. This is for Mormons who don't make the cut for the Celestial Kingdom because they were not fully obedient. It is also for non-Mormons who became Mormons after death through baptism by proxy in Mormon temples (although some of these folks might make the cut for the Celestial Kingdom). In this kingdom life is spent without the presence of Heavenly Father or Jesus Christ, but it is an otherwise pleasant existence without pain or suffering.

3. Telestial Kingdom. This is for those who fail to make the cut for the other two Kingdoms. Not only don't they dwell in the presence of Heavenly Father or Jesus Christ, but it is not a pleasant existence, although it does not entail pain or suffering.

4. The Outer Darkness. This is as nasty as it gets in Mormonism. It is not Hell or the Lake of Fire of the Bible, but a form of very dark twilight zone spent in solitude. This is for really mean and despicable folks and for all those who refuse to convert to Mormonism either during their life or after their death through baptism by proxy.

The bottom line is that Mormonism only resembles Christianity in that they include the Bible within their four standard works (the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrines and Covenants are the others) and they label three of their gods with biblical names (Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost).

 

[Jpark]

Never mind.

 

[icamewithasword]

No.

I must say it's very amusing to read bbbbbbbb's answer and then read yours!

 

[Dark_Lite]

While, yes, Mormons do acknowledge Jesus Christ died for our sins... They deny the Holy Trinity, say God was created, that he has a corporeal body, and beleive in the Book of Mormon along with the Bible...

Thus, I wonder... Are they Christians? Do they go to Heaven when they die? I know some Mormons, and they are VERY kind, nice people! Though, debating with them is difficult... Yet, nonetheless, I worry for their Heavenly life...

Any thoughts or help?

Of the unorthodox variety, yes.

 

[Sunny_Seraphim]

Ohhh! Thank you all very much! ^^ Especially bbbbbbbbbbb

I shall pray for my Mormon friends then, hoping they will come to see the Truth!
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[bbbbbbb]

Ohhh! Thank you all very much! ^^ Especially bbbbbbbbbbb

I shall pray for my Mormon friends then, hoping they will come to see the Truth!
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You are welcome. Prayer is really essential.

 

[mark46]

I suspect that we need a jointly acceptable definition for Christainity before answering this question. Orthodox Christianity is defined by the (unadded to) Nicene Creed and the Apostle's Creed.

And yes, in another sense there are unorthodox Christians who call them selves Christians and who do not accept the creeds. Over the centuries, these faith communities have been called heresies or not Christains at all.
Yes, I would Mormons in this group, along with Jehovah's Witnesses, freemasons and Christain Scientists.

 

[E.C.]

In terms of theology, what Mormons believe and what Mormonism teaches; no.

 

[Romans Road]

No.

They deny the trinity and other essential things. They believe that we can become gods of our own planets. They also believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers.

 

[illyume]

It really does depend upon what you label as "Christian".

In the view of Orthodox Christianity, as mark1 stated:

Orthodox Christianity is defined by the (unadded to) Nicene Creed and the Apostle's Creed.

No, we are not Christians.

I do consider myself a follower of Christ, and do believe that Jesus Christ did live a perfect life, atoned for mankind's sins, and that it is only by His Grace that a person may be redeemed. If one is defining Christianity by something like that, then perhaps Mormons -are- Christians.

At any rate, I do always appreciate prayers. Above all else, I seek the truth.

If you honestly believe that Mormonism is a damnable heresy in any way, then by all means, I do encourage you to pray for the Mormons you know, and to seek to bring them compassionately into the correct way. Such a thing is what Christ taught, no?

 

[Just the Truth]

Mormonism is Freemasonry made into a religion with Christian names.

Each Mormon is working to be a god, to have their own planet someday like the "Heavenly Father" they pray to, the little man on Planet Koleb who had a father who had a father who had a father, ad infinitum.

The motto of Mormonism is, As man is, once god was. As god is, so can man become. Something like that.

They do not believe in a Creator God, an Almighty God who had no beginning and will have no end. They are a polytheistic religion, and believe, bottom line, that the only thing that is self-existant and not created is matter itself. In this regard, they agree with the atheists.

Further, they are Luciferians. They see Lucifer as the brother of Jesus, and that Lucifer got a bum deal, and in that regard they agree with the Luciferian secret societies.

My sister is a Mormon. She is going deeper and deeper into the occult, looking to have a meet up with some aliens. I expect she will be abducted one of these days, because the devils do know who are theirs. She thinks the space movies are documentaries, lives in a total fantasyland. Reminds me of a lot of the people who post on Above Top Secret and think they have been visited by aliens and are really messed up mentally and spiritually.

That is enough. They believe God is a little man of flesh and blood and that he has a wife or wives of flesh and blood and they are busy producing lots and lots of babies, but the babies are not flesh and blood but spirits. And they believe Jesus was their first born spirit child, brother of Satan.

They believe that this little man of flesh and blood took a visit to Planet Earth, knocked on Mary-s door and went and had literal sex with her.

No, it is not Christian. It is Freemasonry, they even have the Freemasonic aprons with the Jolly Roger on it.

THis is all true what I am saying here. I am not flaming or calling anybody any names. It is Just the Truth.

 

[illyume]

Eh, just wondering, where did you get the information for those claims, Just the Truth? I'm sure I could find Mormons who believe and/or do each of those things you mentioned, but I must disagree heartily with what you're saying. I personally believe none of that the way you have presented it, and furthermore have never been taught any of that as part of the Mormon church.

That being said, I suppose the overwhelming consensus -is- that Mormons are not, in the orthodox sense of the term, Christians.

 

[Just the Truth]

Google The Godmakers online. Watch the video.

Mormonism is worse than I have described. Every word I said is true, and more.

How could any Mormon deny this? They believe God is a little man on a planet named Koleb, that he is a man of flesh and blood, and that he had a father who had a father who had a father.

They do not believe there is an Almighty Creator God who had no beginning. Rather, there are tens of thousands of "gods" all populating many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of planets througout the universe.

Mormons are seeking to be gods themselves. Any Mormon who would deny this is lying.

Bruce McKonkey's Encyclopedia of Mormon Doctrine has all this in it and it is easy to find what they believe.

My sister has been a Mormon for 30 years and I have tried to bring her out of it. I have researched this cult.

I recently learned also, concerning the NWO, that Mormons are planning to own the U.S. soon, and are building another Solomon-s Temple in some city in the Midwest from which to rule the world. They believe they are a tribe of Israel.

 

[illyume]

I like that you're considering "The Godmakers" to be credible source material. Well, in a sarcastic way. The rest of my post is anything but sarcastic.

Let's see if I can help at least address a couple of the issues here.

First off, there's an important distinction between the "flesh and blood" bodies that we as mortal beings have, and the glorified and perfected body of "flesh and bone" that Mormons believe God the Father has, in which there is no blood, but as I understand it, the Spirit quickens. You may still feel this is sacrilege, to believe that God continues to have any sort of physical form, other than in the personage of Jesus Christ. If you do, I'm okay with you feeling that way. I just like the opponents of Mormonism to be well-informed about what they're opposing.

Regarding there being no Almighty Creator God with no beginning, I suppose you're right there in a way. I don't believe God was always what He is now. I do believe His existence has no beginning, just as our own existence has no beginning. As far as our mortal existence goes, He is Almighty, and the Creator. The world, men, (and as far as I understand it, the universe, though don't take my word on that as being -official- Mormon doctrine,) were all made by Him, and His son Jesus Christ. So, if you feel it's a heresy that Mormons believe God was not always God, and that something formed Him as He is now, (I hesitate to use the word 'created' here, since it so often has the connotation, usually erroneously, of something being made out of nothing,) then by all means, you're free to object. Again, though, it's nice to be opposed based upon a correct understanding of our doctrines.

There is a verse in our Doctrine and Covenants that reads as such:
" Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them." (D&C 132:20) I personally feel it's important to note the lack of capitalization on the use of 'god' here, as opposed to the word 'God', capitalized, is used every time God the Father is referenced. I won't deny that I believe this scripture, that I believe becoming a 'god' is possible. I will, however, deny that this is the primary thing I am seeking in life. Again, this is something that's nice to be clear on, when opposing the Mormon church.

Bruce McConkie held an important position of leadership in the Mormon church. He was a smart guy. He wrote a book titled "Mormon Doctrine", and it's a valuable resource for learning much about the church. It is not, however, official doctrine of the church the same way the 'cannonized' 'standard works' are or official statements by the church presidency.

The temple planned for construction in the Kansas City area isn't exactly the same thing as Solomon's temple, though it's built based upon similar principles to the ancient temple of Israel--which, as you probably realize, wasn't meant to be any sort of political or military stronghold. Mormons do believe that they are gathering the tribes of Israel in, in a physical and spiritual sense. As far as I understand, though, we don't have any plans to own any kind of country. It does make an interesting conspiracy theory though, and hey, maybe I've just been blinded to the plot.

As far as what you've said concerning your sister:

If she really is getting into the 'occult', (which I hope is not just something you're labeling the Mormon church as,) and looking to meet aliens, and getting tangled up in that kind of nonsense, and all that really is a result of her having joined the Mormon church, then yes, I'd have to agree that Mormonism probably isn't for her. I'm sorry to hear that she's drifting in such a terrible direction, and I hope for the best, and wish you both well--and, if you are not opposed based upon my religious affiliation, would even join with you in praying for her return to the Truth.

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I hope none of that comes across as harsh. I don't mean it to be.

 

[illyume]

Eh, so we've now established the following, with reference to the original post:

In the orthodox sense of "Christianity", Mormons do not fit in.

Some people would instead fit Mormonism under the labels of "Death Cult", "Sex Cult" and "Freemasonry disguised as Christianity."

I feel it fits under the label of "Unorthodox Religion" possibly classified as an "Unorthodox Christian Religion" dependent upon what you use to determine as the qualifier for "Christian" in that sense.

If anyone besides Just the Truth expresses interest in me sorting out and answering his questions, I'll go ahead and do so--perhaps in another thread dedicated to that, so as not to derail this one any further. Otherwise, though, I'm content to not run in circles with her.

 

[Just the Truth]

Eh, so we've now established the following, with reference to the original post:

In the orthodox sense of "Christianity", Mormons do not fit in.

Some people would instead fit Mormonism under the labels of "Death Cult", "Sex Cult" and "Freemasonry disguised as Christianity."

I feel it fits under the label of "Unorthodox Religion" possibly classified as an "Unorthodox Christian Religion" dependent upon what you use to determine as the qualifier for "Christian" in that sense.

If anyone besides Just the Truth expresses interest in me sorting out and answering his questions, I'll go ahead and do so--perhaps in another thread dedicated to that, so as not to derail this one any further. Otherwise, though, I'm content to not run in circles with her.

You are completely ignoring the questions.

1. If being a god with your own planet is not your first goal, then what is your first goal?
2. If the Heavenly Father was once a man as we, then how is he also the Almighty Creator of the Universe as you claim? And if the universe is full of the same kind of gods as the little god man on Planet Kobel that you worship as the Heavenly Father is just one of millions of other gods out there with his own planet, then how does your god on Kobel qualify to be the Big Kahuna?
3. How do you get off thinking the Mormons are Jews and entitled to rule the world through the antichrist, even to building a duplicate Solomon-s Temple? What do you plan to do with the nonMormons?
4. What about the Freemasonic aprons the Mormons wear with the Jolly Roger?
5. You did not disagree, refute with any contrary information to one single thing I said, other than to just kind of blow it all off.
6. What about Satan being brother of Jesus, the one who got the bad rap?
7. And if you believe you are eternal, always existed, but yet you claim you were first born as a spirit baby of the Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother on Planet Koleb, then how could you be eternal, without beginning? If you are eternal and without beginning, does that make you a god? The Bible says that only God has no beginning. Please explain how you believe you had no beginning.

Some answers?

 

[illyume]

If anyone besides Just the Truth expresses interest in me sorting out and answering his questions, I'll go ahead and do so--perhaps in another thread dedicated to that, so as not to derail this one any further. Otherwise, though, I'm content to not run in circles with her.

I didn't think I'd need to repeat that.

 

[IreneAdler]

I don't believe God's spirit comes to those who are not, and I've known spirit filled Mormons. It's a denomination, not a different faith.

 

[Just the Truth]

I didn't think I'd need to repeat that.

Eh, just wondering, where did you get the information for those claims, Just the Truth? I'm sure I could find Mormons who believe and/or do each of those things you mentioned, but I must disagree heartily with what you're saying. I personally believe none of that the way you have presented it, and furthermore have never been taught any of that as part of the Mormon church.

That being said, I suppose the overwhelming consensus -is- that Mormons are not, in the orthodox sense of the term, Christians.

You imply that Mormons are indeed Christians, yet when I point out your blatant differences, that you are instead a Freemasonic cult, you refuse to answer anything and claim it is "deraling the thread."

No, it is right on target. You started this thread. Either just tell the truth about what Mormons believe, or stop trying to pretend you are "followers of Jesus" as you say.

Jesus the spirit child of the little man on Planet Koleb, the brother of Satan who got a bad rap?

So you are followers of somebody named Jesus, but this is not the Jesus of the Bible, the Creator of the Universe, but rather the spirit child of the little man on the Planet Koleb.

You are spreading disinformation and a lot of subterfuge here. Trying to deceive people to believe that Mormons are something else than what they are.

Just like the Mormons did to my sister. Using deceit and promises of becoming a god, just like Satan promised Eve in the garden.

You should be ashamed. You will not answer questions. You just deny that Mormons believe anything occultic, but from what you have already admitted, you have shown how extreme and occultic and blasphemous your beliefs are.

You believe you are eternal, that you never had a beginning. That means you think you are god already.

You believe you can become a god with your own planet.

You are rebuilding Solomon-s Temple in Kansas City from which to rule the world, that you think you are a tribe of Jews annointed to sit on top of the pyramid in the NWO, and you are in fact waiting, with the Jews, for the antichrist to come and rule your hellish utopia where the Christians will be chased down and killed.

Joseph Smith was a Freemason. He took all the stuff he learned as a Freemason and started a religion incorporatiang all of Freemasonry into it.

He died in a gunfight in which he killed a couple men and was appealing with the Masonic secret code: "Have you no pity for the widow-s son," or some such thing.

The God Mormo is a very wicked pagan God also.

This religion is false, calling itself "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is so disingenuous, because it has nothing to do with Jesus and everyhing to do with Freemasonry and Lucifer and becoming gods and taking over the world.

A secret society. People are not allowed to come into your worship services. The only people who are secret are people who are doing things they should not be doing.

And you are not being honest on this thread. You started it to flim-flam us and now you are accusing me of "hijacking the thread" because you were not expecting to have to deal with somebody who understands what Mormonism is all about.