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You see it often and regularly. Christians who either have an image of Jesus hanging on their wall at home or have a picture of Jesus as their profile picture on social media. There are also Christians who bow down before an image of Jesus (or Mary).

My question is: Is that reprehensible to make an image of God?

Paul said in Acts 17:29: "Because we are descended from God, it is absurd to think that we can represent God in statues made of gold, silver or hewn stones. These are, after all, only creations of our art and our imaginations."

Isn't that a clear statement?

My other question is: Why do people always tend to make an image of God? We see this already in the early times of mankind and until today it is still common. How do you explain this phenomenon?
 

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Francis Schaeffer's "Art and the Bible" was a good, short look at this topic and helped me immensely.

Short answer: to make a piece of art depicting religious topics or themes is natural and not forbidden. To WORSHIP any worldly representation, on the other hand, is idolatry.
 
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I don't claim that either. It is specifically about God/Jesus. I think it is wrong to make an image of God.
That's your call I suppose - certainly you can always err on the side of caution. Myself I can't imagine God at Judgement saying "Dude! You DREW me?! That's it! I've seen enough!" and slamming the book shut :wink:
 
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@Brother-Mike

John Calvin agrees with me, for he says:

Behold, they paint and portray Jesus Christ, who (as we know) is not only man, but also God manifested in the flesh: and what a representation is that? He is God’s eternal Son in whom dwells the fullness of the God head, yea even substantially. Seeing it is said, substantially, should we have portraitures and images whereby only the flesh may be represented? Is it not a wiping away of that which is chiefest in our Lord Jesus Christ, that is to wit, of his divine Majesty? Yes: and therefore whensoever a Crucifix stands mopping & mowing in the Church, it is all one as if the Devil had defaced the son of God. (Sermon of 23 May, 1555).
 
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@Brother-Mike

John Calvin agrees with me, for he says:

Behold, they paint and portray Jesus Christ, who (as we know) is not only man, but also God manifested in the flesh: and what a representation is that? He is God’s eternal Son in whom dwells the fullness of the God head, yea even substantially. Seeing it is said, substantially, should we have portraitures and images whereby only the flesh may be represented? Is it not a wiping away of that which is chiefest in our Lord Jesus Christ, that is to wit, of his divine Majesty? Yes: and therefore whensoever a Crucifix stands mopping & mowing in the Church, it is all one as if the Devil had defaced the son of God. (Sermon of 23 May, 1555).
Thanks for looking it up. Calvin to me is a wonderful information source but ultimately not my final authority.
 
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@Brother-Mike

John Calvin agrees with me, for he says:

Behold, they paint and portray Jesus Christ, who (as we know) is not only man, but also God manifested in the flesh: and what a representation is that? He is God’s eternal Son in whom dwells the fullness of the God head, yea even substantially. Seeing it is said, substantially, should we have portraitures and images whereby only the flesh may be represented? Is it not a wiping away of that which is chiefest in our Lord Jesus Christ, that is to wit, of his divine Majesty? Yes: and therefore whensoever a Crucifix stands mopping & mowing in the Church, it is all one as if the Devil had defaced the son of God. (Sermon of 23 May, 1555).

Additional commentary for consideration:

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"The second commandment concerns how Yahweh is to be worshiped, for the idols that it prohibits are idols of him (the previous commandment already dismissed the thought of other gods). The commandment has nothing to do with art, though the graven images of the ancient world were indeed works of art. They were typically carved of wood and overlaid with hammered sheets of silver or gold, then clothed in the finest attire. But the prohibition is more concerned with how they are employed, and here the issue is power."

Victor Harold Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas, and John H. Walton, The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament, electronic ed., (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), Ex 20:4.

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"The mere making was no sin—it was the making with the intent to give idolatrous worship."

Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 1:62.

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"This commandment is not a restriction on art but is concerned with cultic practice. The prohibition concerns display and power. Images of deity were believed to be the places where the presence of the deity was specially manifest, actually embodying to an extent the essence of the god. Likewise, the image could be cared for in order to meet the needs of the deity. These images mediated the presence of god, the revelation of god, and worship to god. The issue here is not the image per se but the accompanying worldview and conception of deity that is inconsistent with the way Yahweh has revealed himself."

Craig S. Keener and John H. Walton, Eds., NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible: Bringing to Life the Ancient World of Scripture, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2016), 146.

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Also, some exegesis emphasizes the separation of Ex 20:4 and Ex 20:5 to highlight the standalone imperative of the former. Calvin himself dispels this (albeit still sticking to his guns re. forbidding artistic representation):


"Meanwhile, I do not deny that these things are to be taken connectedly, since superstitious worship is hardly ever separated from the preceding error; for as soon as any one has permitted himself to devise an image of God, he immediately falls into false worship."


John Calvin and Charles William Bingham, Commentaries on the Four Last Books of Moses Arranged in the Form of a Harmony, (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 2:108.

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So Calvin's position seems to stem from a concern that try as we might we'll wind up worshipping the image - a valid and prudent concern but I still have to give the upper-hand to the modern scholars who have access to centuries of additional original language and cultural analysis that Calvin did not.

Your mileage may vary :)
 
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You see it often and regularly. Christians who either have an image of Jesus hanging on their wall at home or have a picture of Jesus as their profile picture on social media. There are also Christians who bow down before an image of Jesus (or Mary).

My question is: Is that reprehensible to make an image of God?

Paul said in Acts 17:29: "Because we are descended from God, it is absurd to think that we can represent God in statues made of gold, silver or hewn stones. These are, after all, only creations of our art and our imaginations."

Isn't that a clear statement?

My other question is: Why do people always tend to make an image of God? We see this already in the early times of mankind and until today it is still common. How do you explain this phenomenon?

In the NT "God" most of the time refers to the Father and not Jesus, as in Acts 17:29 you mention. It's hard to make an image of God the Father since He is spirit and we have no idea what He looks like. The Son on the other hand we have a reasonable good idea. God's name YHWH has no vowels so it's impossible to know for sure how pronounce it. God the Son came to make God known. He became physical, a man, we could touch him and speak to him. He got a clear and pronounceable name, Jesus. People saw his face, no one has seen God the Father's face except the Son. This I think gives us a good reason why it's fine to make images of Jesus but not the Father. He became visible to us, the Father didn't.
 
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You see it often and regularly. Christians who either have an image of Jesus hanging on their wall at home or have a picture of Jesus as their profile picture on social media. There are also Christians who bow down before an image of Jesus (or Mary).

My question is: Is that reprehensible to make an image of God?

Paul said in Acts 17:29: "Because we are descended from God, it is absurd to think that we can represent God in statues made of gold, silver or hewn stones. These are, after all, only creations of our art and our imaginations."

Isn't that a clear statement?

My other question is: Why do people always tend to make an image of God? We see this already in the early times of mankind and until today it is still common. How do you explain this phenomenon?
In Reformed thought, it is considered idolatry, because it breeches the second commandment which forbids the making and usage of any depiction of God. If Jesus is God, then Jesus would follow under this commandment.
 
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In Reformed thought, it is considered idolatry, because it breeches the second commandment which forbids the making and usage of any depiction of God. If Jesus is God, then Jesus would follow under this commandment.
I don't think that command is about depicting God, but to make an image which you worship as God or a god.
 
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Additional commentary for consideration:

---

"The second commandment concerns how Yahweh is to be worshiped, for the idols that it prohibits are idols of him (the previous commandment already dismissed the thought of other gods). The commandment has nothing to do with art, though the graven images of the ancient world were indeed works of art. They were typically carved of wood and overlaid with hammered sheets of silver or gold, then clothed in the finest attire. But the prohibition is more concerned with how they are employed, and here the issue is power."

Victor Harold Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas, and John H. Walton, The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament, electronic ed., (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), Ex 20:4.

---

"The mere making was no sin—it was the making with the intent to give idolatrous worship."

Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 1:62.

---

"This commandment is not a restriction on art but is concerned with cultic practice. The prohibition concerns display and power. Images of deity were believed to be the places where the presence of the deity was specially manifest, actually embodying to an extent the essence of the god. Likewise, the image could be cared for in order to meet the needs of the deity. These images mediated the presence of god, the revelation of god, and worship to god. The issue here is not the image per se but the accompanying worldview and conception of deity that is inconsistent with the way Yahweh has revealed himself."

Craig S. Keener and John H. Walton, Eds., NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible: Bringing to Life the Ancient World of Scripture, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2016), 146.

---

Also, some exegesis emphasizes the separation of Ex 20:4 and Ex 20:5 to highlight the standalone imperative of the former. Calvin himself dispels this (albeit still sticking to his guns re. forbidding artistic representation):


"Meanwhile, I do not deny that these things are to be taken connectedly, since superstitious worship is hardly ever separated from the preceding error; for as soon as any one has permitted himself to devise an image of God, he immediately falls into false worship."


John Calvin and Charles William Bingham, Commentaries on the Four Last Books of Moses Arranged in the Form of a Harmony, (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 2:108.

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So Calvin's position seems to stem from a concern that try as we might we'll wind up worshipping the image - a valid and prudent concern but I still have to give the upper-hand to the modern scholars who have access to centuries of additional original language and cultural analysis that Calvin did not.

Your mileage may vary :)
I suggest you and all others to read this article: 5 Reasons not to Use Images of Jesus - Reformed Arsenal
 
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Some people who lived while Jesus was on earth saw Him in person, They werent sinning by looking at Him or remembering Him.

Also, following God's instructions "And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived." Num 21:9

But later they were worshipping the object because Hezekiah "He removed the high places [of pagan worship], broke down the images (memorial stones) and cut down the Asherim. He also crushed to pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the Israelites had burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan [a bronze sculpture]." (II Kings 18:4)
 
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Some people who lived while Jesus was on earth saw Him in person, They werent sinning by looking at Him or remembering Him.
True, but did they make images of him and put those images up at home or in the churches? No, certainly not.

Besides, this example is weak. The Jesus they saw was the real Jesus. The "Jesus" that is seen in the images today is not the real Jesus. It is a false representation of him. Every image of Jesus today is false.
Also, following God's instructions "And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived." Num 21:9
I am not talking about a serpent or any other creature, I am talking about God. You can make images of animals, angels and other creatures, that is of course allowed in the Bible as long as you don't worship them. But a picture of God that doesn't even really represent God is a sin.
 
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Iconography is the Scripture in pictures. Just as I reverence the cross, or the book containing the Gospels, I can also reverence Christ, Mary, the saints and various events of the their lives. At a deeper level, the rejection of icons also indicates the rejection of matter being honored because Christ Himself became matter for our sake. Furthermore, this can be taken that Christ did not become truly human and thus heresy.

St. John of Damascus wrote in the Defense of Images, circa 730: Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Of old, God the incorporeal and uncircumscribed was never depicted. Now, however, when God is seen clothed in flesh, and conversing with men, I make an image of the God whom I see. I do not worship matter, I worship the God of matter, who became matter for my sake, and deigned to inhabit matter, who worked out my salvation through matter. I will not cease from honouring that matter which works my salvation. I venerate it, though not as God. How could God be born out of lifeless things? And if God's body is God by union, it is immutable. The nature of God remains the same as before, the flesh created in time is quickened by, a logical and reasoning soul.

I honour all matter besides, and venerate it. Through it, filled, as it were, me. Was not the with a divine power and grace, my salvation has come to thrice happy and thrice blessed wood of the Cross matter? Was not the sacred and holy mountain of Calvary matter? What of the life-giving rock, the Holy Sepulchre, the source of our resurrection: was it not matter? Is not the most holy book of the Gospels matter? Is not the blessed table matter which gives us the Bread of Life' Are not the gold and silver matter, out of which crosses and altar-plate and chalices are made? And before all these things, is not the body and blood of our Lord matter? Either do away with the veneration and worship due to all these things, or submit to the tradition of the Church in the worship of images, honouring God and His friends, and following in this the grace of the Holv Spirit.
 
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You see it often and regularly. Christians who either have an image of Jesus hanging on their wall at home or have a picture of Jesus as their profile picture on social media. There are also Christians who bow down before an image of Jesus (or Mary).

My question is: Is that reprehensible to make an image of God?

Paul said in Acts 17:29: "Because we are descended from God, it is absurd to think that we can represent God in statues made of gold, silver or hewn stones. These are, after all, only creations of our art and our imaginations."

Isn't that a clear statement?

My other question is: Why do people always tend to make an image of God? We see this already in the early times of mankind and until today it is still common. How do you explain this phenomenon?

Paul also said that our Lord Jesus is "the visible image of the invisible God". The question of images became a huge issue around the 8th century AD. Muslim armies had, in the 7th century, conquered the Persian Empire and had conquered the Levant, Egypt, and spread throughout North Africa. The Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantine Empire) had lost a lot of land to the Muslims. It came as a shock to the Christians living there, as for centuries the Roman Empire (East and West) had been predominately Christian. Also, at the time, many Christians were unsure of what to make of Islam, it wasn't viewed so much as a completely different religion at the time, but was seen as a heretical sect. Whereas in the West, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Germanic "barbarians", those same "barbarians" converted to Christianity.

So some in the Eastern Church wondered why, it seemed, God had "sided" with the Muslims against Christians (a very earthly and wrong way of looking at things, obviously, thinking that God is on the side of the victors in a conflict). And so some, such as Emperor Leo III of the Byzantine Empire saw that the big difference (from his perspective) was that Muslims forbade all images, while Christians had images. Leo concluded that perhaps God was punishing them for having images, and so began a campaign of Iconoclasm (literally "image-breaking"), banning images in churches.

Theologians and clergy were appalled by what Leo was doing, because for them this wasn't merely an act of the State against the Church (which it was), nor was it merely an absence of having images; rather they saw it for what it was: An attack on the fundamental and essential doctrines of the Christian faith.

The problem with Iconoclasm was that the core doctrine of our Christian faith is the believe that God became man. The invisible God, the Eternal Logos, God the Son Himself, became human. Assumed our humanity. Jesus is both God and human, without separation. Thus the theologians of the time saw this as an assault against the very doctrine of the Incarnation, it was an attack against Jesus Himself and everything we believe about Jesus as Christians.

Eventually this resulted in the convening of a Church-wide council, only the seventh to ever happen in the history of Christianity. And the subject of this council was the matter of Iconoclasm and the need to defend the Faith.

The Council gathered at Nicea, even as the very first Church-wide council had met at Nicea centuries earlier in order to defend the full and complete Deity of Christ against the Arians.

The Council thus, after much meeting and examining the Scriptures and taking all that had come before into account, ruled this way: Images of Christ are not in violation against the making of graven images for the injunction against the making of graven images is because God is invisible. And thus, images of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were to be rejected, for God cannot be depicted; images of the Incarnate Son were absolutely valid. For God has taken upon Himself visible human flesh, and to depict that visible flesh does not wrongly depict God, just the opposite, it rightly reminds us of the Incarnation. So images of Christ should not only not be rejected, they should be celebrated: God became man, this is our faith, all praise and glory to God. In the same way, images of creatures should not be prohibited, so there should be no prohibition against images of the saints, for such images act to serve as reminders of God's saving work and grace throughout history. That the lives and memories of the saints can be to our benefit, even as we read in Hebrews that we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses--the saints surround us and cheer us on as we run the race of faith here in the world.

So rules were put forward that governed what images meant and what their purpose was, it also ruled that there were lawful and unlawful images. As noted, it is unlawful to depict God the Father or the Holy Spirit, for God in His Essence is not to be depicted for it cannot be. Which is why only images of Christ were considered lawful.

So, no, images of Christ do not violate the commandment against graven images and idols; and it does not go against what Paul said there in the Acts. We do not have images of the Invisible and Divine Essence which cannot be depicted, we have images of Christ, the visible Icon of the invisible God. For these images are not the object of our worship, but are fingers which point to the object of our worship: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hence Christians have always had and used images. We can see this going back and looking to ancient times, such as the ancient catacombs. It is only with the rise of Iconoclasm many centuries later that the presence of images became a matter of debate--and the reasons behind that debate had nothing to do with theology and Scripture, but because an emperor wanted to impose his will on the Church because he wrongly believed that God favors whoever wins in war. It's no different than had Leo tried to replace the Bible with the Qur'an in the churches.

We don't see Iconoclasm again until modern times. Some radical Protestants (and when I say radical, I really mean radical, the sorts who also burned and looted churches and monasteries, who assaulted priests and monks, and who engaged in widespread unmitigated violence) resurrected Iconoclasm. Martin Luther and other leading members of the Reformation condemned these radicals. Iconoclasm, again, shows up now and then among some Protestant groups today. But it is a theologically anemic doctrine, it is a false piety.

That is not to say that anyone HAS to have images. But to condemn images is problematic in Christianity, because the very heart and core of the Christian faith is that the Invisible has become Visible in Christ. God's grace and power is not "invisible" but visibly manifest. God works through the visible and external means of Word and Sacrament to give us faith. The Scriptures are visible, external, we read them as ink on a page, we hear them as words spoken as audible voice. It is with physical and visible water that we received our baptism in the Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We receive visible, physical, tangible bread and wine in the Lord's Supper. Iconoclasm fundamentally denies the visible and external works and word of God--and that is spiritually dangerous. It leads us away from trusting in the Gospel, trusting in Christ, trusting in the word of God and toward trusting other things. When all the while Christ is right here in our midst, in His word, in His Sacraments, in the love and fellowship of His Church coming together in His name.

And an image of Christ reinforces this: Christ really is here with us. The Crucified and Risen Lord, He who is seated at the right hand of the Father is He who said, "I am with you always, even until the end of the age" as He is here, in Word and Sacrament. The visible and the invisible meet and come together, the infinite and the finite are together; God is here with us. And reminding ourselves of this, taking every opportunity to find ways to be reminded that God is with us is important. That we are reminded over and over again of His promises.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Paul also said that our Lord Jesus is "the visible image of the invisible God". The question of images became a huge issue around the 8th century AD. Muslim armies had, in the 7th century, conquered the Persian Empire and had conquered the Levant, Egypt, and spread throughout North Africa. The Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantine Empire) had lost a lot of land to the Muslims. It came as a shock to the Christians living there, as for centuries the Roman Empire (East and West) had been predominately Christian. Also, at the time, many Christians were unsure of what to make of Islam, it wasn't viewed so much as a completely different religion at the time, but was seen as a heretical sect. Whereas in the West, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Germanic "barbarians", those same "barbarians" converted to Christianity.

So some in the Eastern Church wondered why, it seemed, God had "sided" with the Muslims against Christians (a very earthly and wrong way of looking at things, obviously, thinking that God is on the side of the victors in a conflict). And so some, such as Emperor Leo III of the Byzantine Empire saw that the big difference (from his perspective) was that Muslims forbade all images, while Christians had images. Leo concluded that perhaps God was punishing them for having images, and so began a campaign of Iconoclasm (literally "image-breaking"), banning images in churches.

Theologians and clergy were appalled by what Leo was doing, because for them this wasn't merely an act of the State against the Church (which it was), nor was it merely an absence of having images; rather they saw it for what it was: An attack on the fundamental and essential doctrines of the Christian faith.

The problem with Iconoclasm was that the core doctrine of our Christian faith is the believe that God became man. The invisible God, the Eternal Logos, God the Son Himself, became human. Assumed our humanity. Jesus is both God and human, without separation. Thus the theologians of the time saw this as an assault against the very doctrine of the Incarnation, it was an attack against Jesus Himself and everything we believe about Jesus as Christians.

Eventually this resulted in the convening of a Church-wide council, only the seventh to ever happen in the history of Christianity. And the subject of this council was the matter of Iconoclasm and the need to defend the Faith.

The Council gathered at Nicea, even as the very first Church-wide council had met at Nicea centuries earlier in order to defend the full and complete Deity of Christ against the Arians.

The Council thus, after much meeting and examining the Scriptures and taking all that had come before into account, ruled this way: Images of Christ are not in violation against the making of graven images for the injunction against the making of graven images is because God is invisible. And thus, images of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were to be rejected, for God cannot be depicted; images of the Incarnate Son were absolutely valid. For God has taken upon Himself visible human flesh, and to depict that visible flesh does not wrongly depict God, just the opposite, it rightly reminds us of the Incarnation. So images of Christ should not only not be rejected, they should be celebrated: God became man, this is our faith, all praise and glory to God. In the same way, images of creatures should not be prohibited, so there should be no prohibition against images of the saints, for such images act to serve as reminders of God's saving work and grace throughout history. That the lives and memories of the saints can be to our benefit, even as we read in Hebrews that we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses--the saints surround us and cheer us on as we run the race of faith here in the world.

So rules were put forward that governed what images meant and what their purpose was, it also ruled that there were lawful and unlawful images. As noted, it is unlawful to depict God the Father or the Holy Spirit, for God in His Essence is not to be depicted for it cannot be. Which is why only images of Christ were considered lawful.

So, no, images of Christ do not violate the commandment against graven images and idols; and it does not go against what Paul said there in the Acts. We do not have images of the Invisible and Divine Essence which cannot be depicted, we have images of Christ, the visible Icon of the invisible God. For these images are not the object of our worship, but are fingers which point to the object of our worship: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hence Christians have always had and used images. We can see this going back and looking to ancient times, such as the ancient catacombs. It is only with the rise of Iconoclasm many centuries later that the presence of images became a matter of debate--and the reasons behind that debate had nothing to do with theology and Scripture, but because an emperor wanted to impose his will on the Church because he wrongly believed that God favors whoever wins in war. It's no different than had Leo tried to replace the Bible with the Qur'an in the churches.

We don't see Iconoclasm again until modern times. Some radical Protestants (and when I say radical, I really mean radical, the sorts who also burned and looted churches and monasteries, who assaulted priests and monks, and who engaged in widespread unmitigated violence) resurrected Iconoclasm. Martin Luther and other leading members of the Reformation condemned these radicals. Iconoclasm, again, shows up now and then among some Protestant groups today. But it is a theologically anemic doctrine, it is a false piety.

That is not to say that anyone HAS to have images. But to condemn images is problematic in Christianity, because the very heart and core of the Christian faith is that the Invisible has become Visible in Christ. God's grace and power is not "invisible" but visibly manifest. God works through the visible and external means of Word and Sacrament to give us faith. The Scriptures are visible, external, we read them as ink on a page, we hear them as words spoken as audible voice. It is with physical and visible water that we received our baptism in the Name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We receive visible, physical, tangible bread and wine in the Lord's Supper. Iconoclasm fundamentally denies the visible and external works and word of God--and that is spiritually dangerous. It leads us away from trusting in the Gospel, trusting in Christ, trusting in the word of God and toward trusting other things. When all the while Christ is right here in our midst, in His word, in His Sacraments, in the love and fellowship of His Church coming together in His name.

And an image of Christ reinforces this: Christ really is here with us. The Crucified and Risen Lord, He who is seated at the right hand of the Father is He who said, "I am with you always, even until the end of the age" as He is here, in Word and Sacrament. The visible and the invisible meet and come together, the infinite and the finite are together; God is here with us. And reminding ourselves of this, taking every opportunity to find ways to be reminded that God is with us is important. That we are reminded over and over again of His promises.

-CryptoLutheran
Yes God became visible. But that does not mean that we can make pictures of him. God was already visible in the Old Testament. Manifestations of God existed before Jesus and yet no Hebrew had the idea to make a picture of the visible God.
 
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Yes God became visible. But that does not mean that we can make pictures of him. God was already visible in the Old Testament. Manifestations of God existed before Jesus and yet no Hebrew had the idea to make a picture of the visible God.
I'd invite you to go back and read more thoroughly through the Gospel, for example John 1:18, and the great passages in John where Jesus says that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father, etc.

No theophany was God in showing up in His invisible, incomprehensible Essence. But those theophanies are still, in fact, depicted. And Jews didn't have a problem with these, Here's a mosaic from the Dura-Europos Synagogue depicting Moses before the burning bush (upper panel):

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In Jesus we have God the Son Incarnate. Jesus is God, He is also human, which is why He can be depicted. Your interpretation of Scripture simply doesn't conform with historic Christian practice.

If you don't want an image of Christ in your house, then nobody will force you to.

But nobody who does have His image, and no church which has His image, is doing anything wrong, and you are the one who errors if you would force your opinion on everyone else.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'd invite you to go back and read more thoroughly through the Gospel, for example John 1:18, and the great passages in John where Jesus says that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father, etc.

No theophany was God in showing up in His invisible, incomprehensible Essence. But those theophanies are still, in fact, depicted. And Jews didn't have a problem with these, Here's a mosaic from the Dura-Europos Synagogue depicting Moses before the burning bush (upper panel):

ARTSTOR_103_41822003085741.jpg


In Jesus we have God the Son Incarnate. Jesus is God, He is also human, which is why He can be depicted. Your interpretation of Scripture simply doesn't conform with historic Christian practice.

If you don't want an image of Christ in your house, then nobody will force you to.

But nobody who does have His image, and no church which has His image, is doing anything wrong, and you are the one who errors if you would force your opinion on everyone else.

-CryptoLutheran
God became visible as a human being in the Old Testament. He appeared to Jacob and Samson's father as a man. He also visited Abraham in the form of a human being. Theophanies existed even before Jesus. And none of them had the idea to make a picture
Here's a mosaic from the Dura-Europos Synagogue depicting Moses before the burning bush (upper panel):
So what? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The bush was not God, so you can make a picture of it. As I mentioned above, I said that it is permissible to make a picture of all except God.
 
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