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I have a great suspicion that you have not taken any effort to even read anything that goes against your own view. I doubt you know what reasons are cited.
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I have a great suspicion that you have not taken any effort to even read anything that goes against your own view. I doubt you know what reasons are cited.I think the reasons critical scholars cite, trumps theirs. I'm not big on arguments from incredulity. I understand why you might be.
Yep, I've read it all (all the Strobel tripe, Josh McDowell, CSL, etc. I've also read Ehrmam, Carrier, Doherty, etc.).I have a great suspicion that you have not taken any effort to even read anything that goes against your own view. I doubt you know what reasons are cited.
You would have to show that non-Christian historians have evaluated the Bible differently than they do other antiquities. Want to do that?All critical experts do.
Again, you'll have to engage in special pleading as to why all other ancient literature should be evaluated any differently from the bible. As I've said before, arguments from incredulity don't impress.
Scholars consider Ephesians to be a forgery for several reasons, including:
Different writing styles.
Written later than Paul's known epistles.
It was common during this time to write pseudonymously under one who had sway and authority.
There are other reasons, if you're interested.
Surely, this isn't news to you, is it?
Yep, I've read it all (all the Strobel tripe, Josh McDowell, CSL, etc. I've also read Ehrmam, Carrier, Doherty, etc.).
In fact I'll accuse you of the same; Based on your credulity, I have a great suspicion that you have not taken any effort to even read anything that goes against your own view. I doubt you're even aware of real scholarship and why they say what they say.
Again, no cited evidence. 'Scholars consider Ephesians to be a forgery' does not provide evidence of such.
Oh my gosh. This is hilarious. Strobel and McDowell are not Scholars or historians. Try F.F. Bruce and Glen W. Barker to start with and after that you can say you've actually read something that has valid reasons for their reasoning. WOW.
Exactly. Real Scholars...real Historians.Try historian Dr Paul Barnett, also Dr Craig Blomberg, Dr Craig Evans, Dr Gary Habermas, etc.
Oh my gosh, this is hilarious, because McDowell and Strobel reference all the devotional scholars in their books.Oh my gosh. This is hilarious. Strobel and McDowell are not Scholars or historians. Try F.F. Bruce and Glen W. Barker to start with and after that you can say you've actually read something that has valid reasons for their reasoning. WOW.
Have you read Carrier, Ehrman or Doherty? Have you read any real critical scholar?Again, no cited evidence. 'Scholars consider Ephesians to be a forgery' does not provide evidence of such.
From your profile:
This coming from a person who assumes Strobel and McDowell are expert scholars and historiansMeh, for what it's worth, most devotional scholars, with the exception of Metzger, all tend to ignore all salient data, and tend to focus on the data that supports their confirmation bias.
And of course Atheists areWhich, unfortunately, devotional scholars are not considered to be.
And what evidence do you have in my responses that I am blithely unaware of what critical scholarship consensus is at this point in time?Oh my gosh, this is hilarious, because McDowell and Strobel reference all the devotional scholars in their books.
BTW, how many critical historical scholars have you read? Just curious, because real historical scholars look at all available evidence, then draw the most reasonable conclusions, where as devotional scholars conveniently avoid the difficult facts altogether. This is also evident in your responses, as you seem blithely unaware of what critical scholarship consensus is at this point in time.
I never said they were scholars, only that I've read the popular Christian apologists, who often site what the devotional scholars say. I also mentioned I have read Metzger (had an entire course based on his text) Bruce, Habermas, et. al. over the years, so if you'd rather make snarky remarks than discuss the actual content, then suture self. I've always considered you to be a bit of a pedant.This coming from a person who assumes Strobel and McDowell are expert scholars and historians
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