Are creationists dwindling in number?

AV1611VET · Jul 22, 2017

pitabread said:
Disconnecting from this message board, I sometimes forget creationism is even a thing...

Ya ... after we declared our independence, we memorialized it:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Later, our creationists had to defend that phrase against the evolutionists in another major war, in which God intervened and smoked the evolutionists.

But the tares have grown back again and are threatening to choke the wheat, and God is going to repeat Himself at Armageddon for those who have forgotten what creationism is.

pitabread · Jul 22, 2017

dmmesdale said:
It has zero application.

I'm afraid that is incorrect.

(Copied from this thread: "If ENCODE is right then Evolution is wrong")

Here are some examples:

Applications of evolutionary relationships (phylogenetics):

Phylogenies can have practical value in almost every branch of biology, a fact that has become widely recognized only in the last decade. This expansion, however, makes it impossible to review all the applications of phylogenies; instead, some examples are presented that include both classic and novel applications.

(This list includes taxonomy/classification, biogeographies, health science, agriculture, conservation and even linguistics.)

http://awarnach.mathstat.dal.ca/~joeb/biol3046/PDFs/Phylo1b_Introduction.pdf

Various applications of evolutionary biology:

Evolutionary principles are now routinely incorporated into medicine and agriculture. Examples include the design of treatments that slow the evolution of resistance by weeds, pests, and pathogens, and the design of breeding programs that maximize crop yield or quality. Evolutionary principles are also increasingly incorporated into conservation biology, natural resource management, and environmental science. Examples include the protection of small and isolated populations from inbreeding depression, the identification of key traits involved in adaptation to climate change, the design of harvesting regimes that minimize unwanted life-history evolution, and the setting of conservation priorities based on populations, species, or communities that harbor the greatest evolutionary diversity and potential.

Evolutionary principles and their practical application

More on phylogenetic applications:

These examples demonstrate the practical side of phylogenetics. Knowing how different species are related, which species are likely to have inherited which traits, and the patterns of evolution behind the biodiversity we see around us today can help us understand and solve real world problems.

Trees as tools

Further direct application of phylogenetics for gene discovery:

We used sequence comparisons of an extensive set of Old World and New World monkeys and hominoids to identify functional regions in the human genome. Analysis of these data enabled the discovery of primate-specific gene regulatory elements and the demarcation of the exons of multiple genes. Much of the information content of the comprehensive primate sequence comparisons could be captured with a small subset of phylogenetically close primates.

Phylogenetic Shadowing of Primate Sequences to Find Functional Regions of the Human Genome | Science

Specific agricultural application (bovine genomics and milk):

Because bovine milk is a major human food and agro-economical product, comparison of bovine milk with the milk of other species in the context of the bovine genome sequence is important not only to improve our understanding of mammary evolution but also of bovine milk production and human nutrition. The importance of bovine milk consumption to humans is underscored by the domestication of cattle and the convergent evolution of lactase persistency in diverse human populations.

The bovine lactation genome: insights into the evolution of mammalian milk | Genome Biology | Full Text

pitabread · Jul 22, 2017

Aman777 said:
IOW, you must know about Adam's Earth BEFORE you can know the true beginnings of Humans. The ToE is provably incomplete because it is willingly ignorant that Adam's entire world was destroyed in the flood.

Sure. Now all you have to do is overturn the last few hundred years of scientific inquiry and discovery, demonstrate your beliefs have evidential basis and develop real-world applications thereof to replace the science you wish to displace... then maybe we can start talking about it.

But meanwhile all I see is a bunch of bluster on an internet message board.

pitabread · Jul 22, 2017

AV1611VET said:
But the tares have grown back again and are threatening to choke the wheat, and God is going to repeat Himself at Armageddon for those who have forgotten what creationism is.

Promises, promises...

CrystalDragon · Jul 22, 2017

Aman777 said:
Not so, because increased knowledge in the last days is currently being poured out to ALL flesh. Last year Scientists learned that the last common ancestor of life came from WATER. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...

God told us the SAME thing more than 3,000 years ago in this verse:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

As we come closer to the end, God's Truth will continue to be discovered in Genesis and it will come through Scientific discoveries in the last days. Young people's minds will be shown God's Truth in spite of the force teaching of the False Theory of Evolution they have endured since they first entered School. God Bless you

It was thought to be "the last days" in Jesus's day (even the Bible writers indicated as such) and every generation since has claimed their own was the "end times" when that failed. Been wrong every time.

AV1611VET · Jul 22, 2017

pitabread said:
Promises, promises...

A major promise was kept 69 years ago.

Northwest Savant · Jul 22, 2017

I have never personally been polled on this question by Pew Research or any other poll. At one time I believed that the creation story was an allegorical representation, especially during my time in college research. However, that has changed. Put me in the poll as a creationist!

I would question how the Pew Research group conducted the poll, given that their most recent poling regarding the outcome of the Presidential election with a Hillary Clinton win did not come to fruition.

Aman777 · Jul 22, 2017

pitabread said:
Sure. Now all you have to do is overturn the last few hundred years of scientific inquiry and discovery, demonstrate your beliefs have evidential basis and develop real-world applications thereof to replace the science you wish to displace... then maybe we can start talking about it.

But meanwhile all I see is a bunch of bluster on an internet message board.

I agree but we are just now entering the last days when the discoveries of Science will confirm what God told us 3k years ago in Genesis. I've already posted Scientific Evidence that Scripture is True when it told us that "every living creature that moveth" came forth from WATER. Scientists confirmed this Truth last year:

www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...

It's testable proof of God since no man could have possibly told us this Scientific Truth thousands of years BEFORE Science. God Bless you

Aman777 · Jul 22, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
It was thought to be "the last days" in Jesus's day (even the Bible writers indicated as such) and every generation since has claimed their own was the "end times" when that failed. Been wrong every time.

Amen and it is probably because God has but 6 Creative Days or Ages and 1 Festival Day which is Eternity, the 7th Day, which has NO evening and NO morning. That's the definition of Eternity. Since we still live at the end of the 6th Creative Day and the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 has NOT yet happened, we literally live on the LAST Creative Day. All of mankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day/Age. None of us are promised tomorrow except Christians. God Bless you

pitabread · Jul 22, 2017

Aman777 said:
I agree but we are just now entering the last days when the discoveries of Science will confirm what God told us 3k years ago in Genesis.

Sorry, I don't buy into any of this apocalyptical silliness. Nor do I put any stock in Bible verses as being a source of revelation for understanding the natural world.

Subduction Zone · Jul 22, 2017

Aman777 said:
I agree but we are just now entering the last days when the discoveries of Science will confirm what God told us 3k years ago in Genesis. I've already posted Scientific Evidence that Scripture is True when it told us that "every living creature that moveth" came forth from WATER. Scientists confirmed this Truth last year:

www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...

It's testable proof of God since no man could have possibly told us this Scientific Truth thousands of years BEFORE Science. God Bless you

We have been over this error of yours countless times.

Just because you can handwave a similarity by using a verse out of context does not support your claim.

If land had arisen on life you would simply find another verse to quote out of context.

pitabread · Jul 22, 2017

Northwest Savant said:
I would question how the Pew Research group conducted the poll, given that their most recent poling regarding the outcome of the Presidential election with a Hillary Clinton win did not come to fruition.

Keep in mind, in this thread we are talking about estimating general frequency of belief systems in the broad population; a little bit different than trying to predict an uncertain future event.

We're also not talking about a single poll here. I've referenced two Pew Research polls in this thread, and data from thirteen Gallup polls over time, all which paint the same picture: creationist beliefs are on the decline.

Seejer · Jul 22, 2017

Genesis 1:24-25

Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

dmmesdale · Jul 22, 2017

pitabread said:
What creationists need to realize is this is what you're up against. Not some fantasy about some atheistic conspiracy to corrupt the world's youth... but rather real-world science being done around the world in laboratories as we speak.

There is a clear demarcation in what atheists assert about history of man and other types which are not in dispute by most regarding evolution.
Thinking Clearly About God and Evolution - Christian Research Institute

Change over time; history of nature; any sequence of events in nature.
Changes in the frequencies of alleles in the gene pool of a population.
Limited common descent: the idea that particular groups of organisms have descended from a common ancestor.
The mechanisms responsible for the change required to produce limited descent with modification, chiefly natural selection acting on random variations or mutations.
Universal common descent: the idea that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor.
“Blind watchmaker” thesis: the idea that all organisms have descended from common ancestors solely through unguided, unintelligent, purposeless, material processes such as natural selection acting on random variations or mutations; that the mechanisms of natural selection, random variation and mutation, and perhaps other similarly naturalistic mechanisms, are completely sufficient to account for the appearance of design in living organisms.

In fact, to make a long story short, virtually no one denies the truth of “evolution” in senses 1, 2, or 3. And, pretty much everyone agrees that natural selection and mutations explain some things in biology (number 4).

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What atheists mean, for the most part, is blind watchmaker evolution which is distinct. #4 explains your examples without having to plummet to #6.

Opposition to evolution is centered around #5 & 6. Not 1, 2, or 3.

Halbhh · Jul 22, 2017

Remember people, that believers that think God used evolution -- 'theistic evolution' -- believe God is the creator. That we are here only because of His work.

He created all.

It looks like He used evolution for at least parts, and that Earth is very old.

Aman777 · Jul 22, 2017

pitabread said:
Sorry, I don't buy into any of this apocalyptical silliness.

God told us all about people like you in the last days, more than 2k years ago.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days Scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Scoffers are unbelievers and don't believe Jesus is going to return so they mock His Holy Word. They force teach their incomplete untrue ToE to little chlldren and have for generations and gloat over how the number of Creationists is dwindling. They are ignorant of the fact that they will receive increased punishment for their evil deeds.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6
Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

The Scoffers won't believe that Adam's world, the world that THEN WAS, is gone.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Neither will the Scoffers of the last days believe that our entire Cosmos/Universe will also burn. Do you believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood and that our Universe will be burned? Or do you fit the description of a Scoffer of the last days before Jesus returns at Armageddon? God Bless you

CrystalDragon · Jul 22, 2017

Aman777 said:
God told us all about people like you in the last days, more than 2k years ago.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days Scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Scoffers are unbelievers and don't believe Jesus is going to return so they mock His Holy Word. They force teach their incomplete untrue ToE to little chlldren and have for generations and gloat over how the number of Creationists is dwindling. They are ignorant of the fact that they will receive increased punishment for their evil deeds.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6
Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

The Scoffers won't believe that Adam's world, the world that THEN WAS, is gone.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Neither will the Scoffers of the last days believe that our entire Cosmos/Universe will also burn. Do you believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood and that our Universe will be burned? Or do you fit the description of a Scoffer of the last days before Jesus returns at Armageddon? God Bless you

There's been scoffers since the Biblical days too, you know.

Aman777 · Jul 22, 2017

Subduction Zone said:
We have been over this error of yours countless times.

Just because you can handwave a similarity by using a verse out of context does not support your claim.

If land had arisen on life you would simply find another verse to quote out of context.

That's only one of my scientific proofs which confirms the agreement of Scripture and Science. Here is another:

Genesis 1:8 shows us that God the Trinity made 1 Heaven on the 2nd Day.
Genesis 2:4 shows us that Lord God made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day.

It shows that we live in a Multiverse. Want a picture of the last time we bumped into another Cosmos? which is proof of God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

Speedwell · Jul 22, 2017

dmmesdale said:
...all organisms have descended from common ancestors solely through unguided, unintelligent, purposeless, material processes such as natural selection acting on random variations or mutations; that the mechanisms of natural selection, random variation and mutation, and perhaps other similarly naturalistic mechanisms, are completely sufficient to account for the appearance of design in living organisms.

Just as God intended it should be.

Aman777 · Jul 22, 2017

CrystalDragon said:
There's been scoffers since the Biblical days too, you know.

I know but that was before God started showing us His Truth which agrees with the latest discoveries of Science in Genesis Chapter one. Hang around and watch the Scoffers here. First they will scream and call names and then they will see that God's Truth is the Truth scientifically and they won't know what to say. God Bless you

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