Are conspiracy theories real?

What's the deal with the OK symbol lately?

Didn't mention any association with Satanism that I saw in my brief skim-through, but I have seen it brought up by Christian "truthers" and conspiracy groups.

Sunflower Garden said:

I notice some Christians put out a lot of conspiracy theories related to Revelations and the Bible, usually against the government, celebrities, music industry, Disney cartoons, hand symbols, etc, and it really scares me.

I know everyone says conspiracy theorists are crazy, but, after researching stuff about "new world orders" and "illuminati" and "demonic music industry who makes celebrities sell their souls" it all seems...plausible?? Like, really plausible?? Especially when paired with verses from Revelations?
I know I sound paranoid, I definitely am, but if this is true then I'm scared of me and my family becoming deceived and taken away from God.
With the evidence we have, theres no debunking it. It's all too coincidental to NOT be true.

People think some of our (still living) past presidents are the anti-Christ.

I love classic rock, especially The Beatles, and so does my family. But I feel betrayed when I watched this video and found these messages: Then I found this: https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Rock-n-Roll/beatles.htm
And this: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Rock-n-Roll/devil_worship.htm
This is Led Zeppelin's STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN: Also, the arguments near the end pages of this forum post bring up very condemning and scary points, with sources... : Why exactly is rock music Satanic?
People say the same thing about pop and rap. I'm not a big pop fan, but my freinds are, and the demonic imagery and lyrics is obvious in music videos such as Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, Britney Spears, Kanye West, 50 Cent, etc...

Apparently not even Disney is safe:
Disney Subliminal Messages | Illuminati Symbols

My mom always gave me the universal "I love you" hand sign (index/pinky/thumb up, middle/ring down). Just recently I learned that this is an anti-Christian sign.
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Wicca & Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm
Another reference: I told her to stop doing it, and she has, but I'm still scared for her.
Same with the "ok" sign which is trendy among my friends lately, actually being the triple 6 sign.

I'm so scared not only for myself, but all my loves ones lately. I'm scared that even my Christian family members and friends will not go to Heaven just because they've been brainwashed by subliminal messages. I dont want my parents, grandparents, cousins, siblings, friends, and even enemies to die and suffer forever. I feel like we can't listen to any secular music or watch any movies in case we are secretly being fed anti-Christian messages. Sometimes I even make those hand signs without thinking. I feel like living in the world, always surrounded by media, is living in constant underlying fear.

Is this true? Or am I worrying too much?

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Some are real... some are not..

If we could prove which were which...then the ones proven to be real would not be theories anymore.... and the conspiracy would have been exposed....

JacksBratt said:

Some are real... some are not..

If we could prove which were which...then the ones proven to be real would not be theories anymore.... and the conspiracy would have been exposed....

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Except for those who are so convinced that they are right that no proof is sufficient.

JackRT said:

Except for those who are so convinced that they are right that no proof is sufficient.

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Oh.... you mean that door.... the door that swings both ways?

JacksBratt said:

Oh.... you mean that door.... the door that swings both ways?

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In some cases it is a revolving door.

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Sunflower Garden said:

I notice some Christians put out a lot of conspiracy theories related to Revelations and the Bible, usually against the government, celebrities, music industry, Disney cartoons, hand symbols, etc, and it really scares me.

I know everyone says conspiracy theorists are crazy, but, after researching stuff about "new world orders" and "illuminati" and "demonic music industry who makes celebrities sell their souls" it all seems...plausible?? Like, really plausible?? Especially when paired with verses from Revelations?
I know I sound paranoid, I definitely am, but if this is true then I'm scared of me and my family becoming deceived and taken away from God.
With the evidence we have, theres no debunking it. It's all too coincidental to NOT be true.
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Yes and no. While it can be true that the media (maybe even Churches) has dark forces behind it all; the majority of examples (hand symbols, back masking) that are normally referenced by christians isn't true. They are only believed by fanatics who love the whole "oh look it's satan!". These examples are so bad and so untrue that it does cast doubt on the validity of the conspiracy.

I am a Multimedia designer by profession, and I have worked for both the animation to visual graphic design industry. Back then, most of the US 2d cartoons was outsourced (mostly India to the Philippines) because the cost of labor is cheaper. Hand symbols like that are normally caught in something called an "in-between" which is the motion between the start of the frame to the very last one.
It's like if i took a screen cap of you throwing a basketball, and saying "see, the OP worships satan, because his hands are shaped like a horn".

Second, triangles are normally used for portraits. In fact, comic books covers like Spiderman use triangles more than squares or circles because it is based on human psychology. We are attracted to the formation because it grants perspective and an actual/unique form than circles and squares do (I also think because God, being trinity, has hinted 3 in most of his designs).

The modern day left is a huge argument in support of the validity of this conspiracy.

Sunflower Garden said:

I know everyone says conspiracy theorists are crazy

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A conspiration theory is a theory that there is some conspiration. If that conspiration is real, the theory is true, if there is no such conspiration, it is false.

Clinging to a theory when almost every evidence speaks against it may be labelled "crazy".

Sunflower Garden said:

after researching stuff about "new world orders" and "illuminati" and "demonic music industry who makes celebrities sell their souls" it all seems...plausible?? Like, really plausible?? Especially when paired with verses from Revelations?

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A claim doesn't become more plausible if it is adorned with a verse from Revelation.

Sunflower Garden said:

People think some of our (still living) past presidents are the anti-Christ.

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The word "anti-christ" appears in 1John 2:18,22; 4:3; 2John V.7. It denotes a false teacher, if the Antichrist is present in Revelation, he is most probably the second beast in Rev 13.

But in many cases, the term is used for the first beast of Rev 13, which is a quite different figure. I can't see why any former president should be the Beast, I expect it to be a powerful figure (maybe the then present president of the USA?).

Sunflower Garden said:

I love classic rock, especially The Beatles, and so does my family. But I feel betrayed when I watched this video and found these messages:

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Well, I find this video ridiculous. When a sound I perceive as "oh my harlot" is rendered as "oh my Lord" it is clear that the unclear sound (unclear because it is played backwards) is interpreted to fit an opinion which was first, then the "interpretation" of the backward sounds. In most instances, I cannot perceive English words.

With that technique, you may interpret satanic messages into virtually all songs or speeches played backward, from contemporary christian music to addresses from Donald Trump. It only needs some degree of imagination.

Sunflower Garden said:

Then I found this: The Beatles

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(I mended your broken link)
Partially true, but a portrait of a Spaniard whose first name is Jesus is no portrait of Jesus Christ. I doubt McCartney had the same associatons with RAM as this site. A website eager to exaggerate its case is no firm ground.

Sunflower Garden said:

And this: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Rock-n-Roll/devil_worship.htm

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Well, many music styles started as anti-christian style. Whether Rock'n'Roll, Blues,the brass music used in the 19th century (which was the basic for many salvaition songs of that time), the baroque Italian opera (a style entering churches with the pipe organ, in Germany it is strongly connected to J.S. Bach), or even the worldly melodies taken over by Luther and others.

In essence, it is always the same story: A music style connected to anti-christian lifestyle loosening this connections, some Christians adopt it for new Christian songs, at first being criticized by more conservative Christian, but in the end the music is accepted, and if that music style gets iout of fashion in the "world", may even be considered as specially Christian.

There is no music that is absolutely bound to God or Satan, it is always the cultural context (which may change over time) that establishes such a connection. As to individual songs, the text is important, of course. A baroque love song praising fornication is not acceptable just because I don't understand the Italian text and it sounds to my ear like a church melody

Sunflower Garden said:

Apparently not even Disney is safe:
Disney Subliminal Messages | Illuminati Symbols

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Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.
An unclean mind will find uncleanness in innocent pictures. Most examples rise no bad allusion unless I listen to the "explanation" of that page. Shame on them who dug out such filth out of their thoughts.

Sunflower Garden said:

My mom always gave me the universal "I love you" hand sign (index/pinky/thumb up, middle/ring down). Just recently I learned that this is an anti-Christian sign.
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Wicca & Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

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The suggestion that the sign language (and the "I love you"-sign in it) was introduced by Hellen Keller seems to be a fake news, Wikipedia doesn't mention her in the article of about Sign languages.

EDIT: I overlooked the obvious: The inventor of "Theosophy" was not Helen Keller but Helena Blavatsky. The fake is thus a double fake news.

Gestures and similar signs often have more than one meaning in different contexts, e.g. the American OK-sign means "a**hole" in Bavaria - does that mean that Americans think as**oles are ok? Anyone using the "I love sign" meaning "I love you" has no connection to Satan whatsoever (unless, of course, there is another connection not related to this sign). Your mother is safe, it was wrong to put her conscience into trouble.

Sunflower Garden said:

I'm so scared ...
Is this true? Or am I worrying too much?

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You worry to much, you have been deceived by people who see the devil where he is not.

We should flee from sin and resist Satan, as the Bible tells us, not try to resist sin and flee from Satan!

BCsenior said:

We're in the 3rd seal now ... the tipping of the financial/economic scales.
The Crash of the Century is upon us in 2019 (be patient, December is months away).
And the famine in the USA has just begun (only slightly).

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The first 4 Seals are associated with colors:
White - victory
Red - removing peace from earth
Black - hunger
Yellow/Green/gray (indeed, what Greeks counted as "pure" color, is mixed for us): pestilence and dead

I suspect the seals are not in succession, but simultaneously. As to persecution (5th seal), visit Open Doors.

Sunflower Garden said:

Really? It appears in mine. And even if it wasn't in the original translation

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The number 666 appears in the Bible. But since the Indian digits, which were later adopted by the Arabs and from the Arabs by the European, were not known to the biblical authors, John did not write 6-6-6, but rather 600-60-6, three different "digits", represented by three Greek Letters: Chi-Xi-Fau. The Fau, not used in Attic Greek, which became standard, was in minuscule script replaced by stigma (originally st, sigma+tau, but then used as word-final s).

Using the ancient method, "666" has the value of 18 (6+6+6), not 666.

Sunflower Garden said:

people understand it to be an evil symbol today and use it against God.

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This is true, but not all occurrences of three 6's are meant this way, it may be even sheer coincidence.

JackRT said:

Even Bible translations differ, some use 666 and some use 616 but either way it refers to either Emperor Nero or Emperor Domitian not to evil in general.

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This reference is an exegesis, it is not said directly in the Bibel. and there is a point that speaks against it:

In Greek, the Name Jesus (iesous) has the value 888:
Iota = 10
Eta = 8
Sigma = 200
Omikron = 70
Upsilon = 400
Sigma = 200
Note that in minuscule writing (invented in the early middle ages), the final sigma has a different value (6), but this was not so in the time revelation was written, when there was no separate letter for final sigma.

So we expect the name of the Anti-Jesus ("antichrist" is a somewhat misleading term) to have the value 666 in Greek letters, which is not true for Nero (the values 666 is arrived in Hebrew for "Neron Kesar", i.e. Nero Cesar). So while Nero is a rather old explanation of the number, it is very probably not the one intended by the Holy Spirit who inspired revelation.

The Number 616 is a variant reading, obviously created to correct the 666 value to conform to "Nero kesar" (without the inflectional "n" at the end of the name), and as such a indication that the Nero theory was rather popular in the Ancient times.

2 conspiracy buffs die and go to Heaven. God welcomes them and tells them they can ask any question they want.

One asks, "who really killed JFK?"

God says, "Lee Harvey Oswald...and he acted alone."

The first one raises his eyebrows and says to his buddy "wow, this goes much higher than we thought!"

Sunflower Garden said:

Is this true? Or am I worrying too much?

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There's a Christian scholar who specializes in debunking conspiracy theories and explains what we actually know about the truth. Here's his YouTube channel.

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