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Bear in mind Malaka, I am NYJ, not Philip.Malaka said:bear in mind, Phillip,
Could have been forged.Philip said:I think I saw the combination posted by WitL on TBTSNBN. Mentioning the Paulicans is always fun. It gives us the We don't have any records because the Catholics killed all the True Christians and burned their books. Oh, someone found some records like the Key of Truth. Um, I guess those must have been forged.
nyj said:Bear in mind Malaka, I am NYJ, not Philip.
Also, for the record, I believe my response to DaTsar is crystal clear in conveying my opinion. If not, I suggest you re-read it a bit more closely a second time.
Palatka44 said:Could have been forged.
Who today has seen any of these events.
Who are we to trust? Catholics?
The ones that seduce young boys. Get drunk during the eucharist? The laity, that on Saturday or Sunday take Mass only to use God's Holy Name in vain, commit adultery,
pray to a statute while rubbing beans on a string
and confess to a preist that is full of sin.
Those that in the past that dared stand against your idolitry had their heads cut off, burned at the stake, or tortured to death. Is this the acts of Christianity? I say not! The believer in Christ would not take one life that is prescious in the eyes of God.
With all that I've said, let it be known that I do believe that there are Christians in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church system is evil and if you are a Christian you are warned to come out of her.
Revelation 18:4-8
Why thank you Sir,nyj said:
May God have mercy on your soul Palatka.
Palatka44 said:Could have been forged.
Who today has seen any of these events.
Who are we to trust? Catholics? The ones that seduce young boys. Get drunk during the eucharist? The laity, that on Saturday or Sunday take Mass only to use God's Holy Name in vain, commit adultery, pray to a statute while rubbing beans on a string and confess to a preist that is full of sin. In light of the testamonies of recent Catholic press I'd say the truth of how this "Christian Church" likes to keep Its inner sins to itself only fuels the fire of distrust. If you can not keep your preist true how do you expect anyone to trust you to the keeping of history?
Oh how like the Pharisee you are. Those that in the past that dared stand against your idolitry had their heads cut off, burned at the stake, or tortured to death. Is this the acts of Christianity? I say not! The believer in Christ would not take one life that is prescious in the eyes of God. Remember what the Words of my Lord and Savior said to the Pharisee and examine you own heart before God.
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With all that I've said, let it be known that I do believe that there are Christians in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church system is evil and if you are a Christian you are warned to come out of her. Through out history those that have seen the wickedness in her have done just that. It is time for a modern day seperation of the saints from the Catholic system of devils. Come out of her so cries the Word of God.
The Blood of Christ has washed me of my sin. I am quite humbled by that. And as He told the Woman that was about to be stoned "Go and sin no more" so must I do like wise.phillip said:Again, are you not full of sin?
keeki said:I know that Catholism (sp) is a branch of Christianity, but I don't really get it...they believe in purgatory and stuff..so are they still Christian?
You know, I really do not know why my first post went the direction it did but I've had some very nasty experiences with Catholics, preist and laity alike.Malaka said:"Catholics? The ones that seduce young boys. Get drunk during the eucharist? The laity, that on Saturday or Sunday take Mass only to use God's Holy Name in vain, commit adultery, pray to a statute while rubbing beans on a string and confess to a preist that is full of sin."
In all fairness... these statements should not be brought into a discussion of christians within the Roman Church.
The Roman Church is not the only denomination that has experienced problem with pedophilia and sexual abuse including a cover-up, nor are they the only Christians that indulge in alcoholic consumption. Perhaps you mean "idoltry" and not "adultery"?
I don't know of any Catholic that prays "TO" a statue, although I just as certainly don't agree with placing petitions to dead saints at all for intercession for we already have an advocate in Jesus Christ.
Let's keep the main thing as the main thing, and not make statements that are not productive to discussion.
People should be "called out"... not dragged out.
Your sister in Christ,
~malaka~
for some say[/b] that it dates back to the time of Sylvester (A. D. 825); others to the time of the apostles. [emphasis mine]
and a contradiction to your posting...
A Catechism emanating from the Waldenses of the thirteenth century makes no allusion to infant baptism. It says that the church catholic, that is, the elect of God through the merits of Christ, is gathered together by the Holy Spirit, and foreordained to eternal life (Gilly, Waldensian Researches, I. lxxii. London, 1825), which is not consistent with infant baptism.
The preceding statement contradicts what you post here. The Waldenses did NOT support infant baptism and I have found nothing that indicates the belief in transubstantiation or prayers for the dead.
It is possible that some of the Italian Waldenses (so-called) practiced infant baptism (Döllinger, Sektengerchichte, II 52); There is no account that the French Waldenses, or the Waldenses proper, ever practiced infant baptism. As early as the year 1184 there was a union of the Poor men of Lyons, as some of the followers of Waldo were called, and the Arnoldists, who rejected infant baptism. (A History of the Baptists, Christian)
It was the received opinion among the Waldenses that they were of ancient origin and truly apostolic. "They call themselves," says David of Augsburg, "successors of the apostles, and say that they are in possession of the apostolic authority, and of the keys to bind and unbind"
The great church historian, Neander, in commenting on this document, suggests that it may have been "of an elder origin than 1120. He further says:
But it is not without some foundation of truth that the Waldenses of this period asserted the high antiquity of their sect, and maintained that from the time of the secularization of the churchthat is, as they believed,
Such was the tradition and such was the opinion of the Waldenses in regard to their origin. They held to a "secret perpetuity during the Middle Ages, vying with the Catholic perpetuity" (Michelet, Histoire de France, II. 402. Paris, 1833).
Theodore Beza, the Reformer of the sixteenth century, voices the sentiment of his times, when he says:
As for the Waldenses, I may be permitted to call them the very seed of the primitive and purer Christian church, since, they are those that have been upheld, as is abundantly manifest, by the wonderful providence of God, so that neither those endless storms and tempests by which the whole Christian world has been shaken for so many succeeding ages, and the Western part so miserably oppressed by the Bishop of Rome, falsely so called; nor those horrible persecutions which have been expressly raised against them, were able so far to prevail as to make them bend, or yield a voluntary subjection to the Roman tyranny and idolatry
Jonathan Edwards, the great President of Princeton University, in his "History of Redemption," says of the Waldenses:
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Then speaking especially of the Waldenses, he says:
... It is supposed, that this people first betook themselves to this desert, secret place among the mountains to hide themselves from the severity of the heathen persecutions, which were before Constantine the Great.[emphasis mine]
The special historians of the Waldenses claim the most remote origin for them. For example, Mr. Faber says:
The evidence which I have now adduced distinctly proves, not only that the Waldenses and Albigenses existed anterior to Peter. of Lyon
Palatka44 said:Hey Phillip did you notice that you last post was your 666th?
The Blood of Christ has washed me of my sin. I am quite humbled by that. And as He told the Woman that was about to be stoned "Go and sin no more" so must I do like wise.
nyj said:
May God have mercy on your soul Palatka.
Palatka44 said:You know, I really do not know why my first post went the direction it did but I've had some very nasty experiences with Catholics, preist and laity alike.
To say that I donot sin is to say that I'm not human and it is to make God a liar.Philip said:
So, you no longer sin?
Palatka44 said:To say that I donot sin is to say that I'm not human and it is to make God a liar.
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