ARE ALL BELIEVERS KINGS AND PRIESTS WHEN RESURRECTED ?

[Dan Perez]

Many are using Rev 5:10 as a proof text and this is my REBUTTAL !

#1 HAST MADE / POIEO is in the AORIST TENSE ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD and is SINGULAR .

#2 US / HEMES is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , and in the PLURAL .

#3 UNTO OUR / HEMON , is also a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENTIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

#4 And has made us KINGS / BASILEUS is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , , means Limited , in the PLURAL , means all males .

#5 And PRIESTS / HEIRCUS , also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and means LIMITED to PRIESTS , in the MASCULINE

#6 WE SHALL REIGN / BASILEUO

#7 On THE /HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE and this DEFINITE ARTICLE is pointing the the next word .

#8 EARTH / GE in the GENTIVE CASE , and SINGULAR .

It is plain that these kings and priests will REIGN on the EARTH , PERIOD . So where will we be at our resurrection ?

#9 Says where we will be doing , 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 says we are being to GOVERN then UNIVERSE and GOVERN ANGELS , so you all learn how to JUDGE , so read 1 Cor 5:1-13 .

dan p

And 1 Cor

 

[Marilyn C]

Many are using Rev 5:10 as a proof text and this is my REBUTTAL !

#1 HAST MADE / POIEO is in the AORIST TENSE ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD and is SINGULAR .

#2 US / HEMES is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , and in the PLURAL .

#3 UNTO OUR / HEMON , is also a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENTIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

#4 And has made us KINGS / BASILEUS is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , , means Limited , in the PLURAL , means all males .

#5 And PRIESTS / HEIRCUS , also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and means LIMITED to PRIESTS , in the MASCULINE

#6 WE SHALL REIGN / BASILEUO

#7 On THE /HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE and this DEFINITE ARTICLE is pointing the the next word .

#8 EARTH / GE in the GENTIVE CASE , and SINGULAR .

It is plain that these kings and priests will REIGN on the EARTH , PERIOD . So where will we be at our resurrection ?

#9 Says where we will be doing , 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 says we are being to GOVERN then UNIVERSE and GOVERN ANGELS , so you all learn how to JUDGE , so read 1 Cor 5:1-13 .

dan p

And 1 Cor

Hi Dan,

Actually, the word in Rev. 5: 10 `epi ` the earth, is the Greek word `epi,` which can be `over or on. ` Thus, we need more scriptures to show where the Body of Christ will rule from.

THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

(New King James)

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi Dan,

Actually, the word in Rev. 5: 10 `epi ` the earth, is the Greek word `epi,` which can be `over or on. ` Thus, we need more scriptures to show where the Body of Christ will rule from.

THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

(New King James)

But is 1 Peter 1:4 for the BODY OF CHRIST ?

I say it will never be as it says that the Jews INHERITANCE is just RESERVED in Heaven for you and 1 Peter 2:9 says that you are a CHOSEN generation a Royal Priesthood , never as the B O C will GOVERN , Angels and Govern Christ angels as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 <

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

But is 1 Peter 1:4 for the BODY OF CHRIST ?

I say it will never be as it says that the Jews INHERITANCE is just RESERVED in Heaven for you and 1 Peter 2:9 says that you are a CHOSEN generation a Royal Priesthood , never as the B O C will GOVERN , Angels and Govern Christ angels as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 <

dan p

Yes, for Peter is saying `You are a royal priesthood...` He did not say `We,` which would have included himself.

Note that a royal priesthood is a kingpriest, and that is only of the Lord`s order - kingpriest, (Heb. 6: 20) And that high office is only in the third heaven with Christ`s own throne. All other offices under Christ in other realms are either a king or a priest, but do not hold the two offices like the Body of Christ.

We have the `on top` calling. (Phil. 3: 14)

 

[readywriter]

'I press toward the mark
for the prize of the high calling of God
in Christ Jesus.'
(Php 3:14)

Praise God!

 

[Dan Perez]

'I press toward the mark
for the prize of the high calling of God
in Christ Jesus.'
(Php 3:14)

Praise God!

Glad to see YOU come back , missed you !!

dan p

 

[readywriter]

Glad to see YOU come back , missed you !!

dan p

Thank you. Glad to be back.

 

[readywriter]

But is 1 Peter 1:4 for the BODY OF CHRIST ?

I say it will never be, as it says that the Jews INHERITANCE is just RESERVED in Heaven for you, and 1 Peter 2:9 says that you are a CHOSEN generation a Royal Priesthood , never as the B O C will GOVERN , Angels and Govern Christ angels as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 <

dan p

'To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God
through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.'
(1Pe 1:4-5)

'But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you
out of darkness into His marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.'
(1Pe 2:9-10)

Hello @Dan Perez,

In answer to your question:- 'Is,1 Peter 1:4, for the Body of Christ?' My answer must be 'No'. For only the epistles written from prison by Paul contain knowledge of the truth concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ. It having been hid in God, from ages and generations (Eph.3:6 / Col.1:26), until made known by Divine revelation to Paul, and by him to the saints and faithful in Christ Jesus, by means of the epistles written from prison, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, on the basis of Romans 5:12-8:39.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Dan Perez]

'To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away,
reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God
through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.'
(1Pe 1:4-5)

'But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you
out of darkness into His marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:
which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.'
(1Pe 2:9-10)

Hello @Dan Perez,

In answer to your question:- 'Is,1 Peter 1:4, for the Body of Christ?' My answer must be 'No'. For only the epistles written from prison by Paul contain knowledge of the truth concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ. It having been hid in God, from ages and generations (Eph.3:6 / Col.1:26), until made known by Divine revelation to Paul, and by him to the saints and faithful in Christ Jesus, by means of the epistles written from prison, namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, on the basis of Romans 5:12-8:39.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

It should for any bible student to believe that the BODY OF CHRIST is a NATION , when Paul says that we are a NEW CREATION and when in 1 Cor 12:15--17 we are Christs , EYES , EARS , SENSE 0F HEARING and SENSE OF HEARING and his FEET .

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

It should for any bible student to believe that the BODY OF CHRIST is a NATION , when Paul says that we are a NEW CREATION and when in 1 Cor 12:15--17 we are Christs , EYES , EARS , SENSE 0F HEARING and SENSE OF HEARING and his FEET .

dan p

Nation is Gk. `ethnos` a race, a tribe (of the same habit) one, people.

So, it does not mean a nation as we call them now.

 

[Dan Perez]

Nation is Gk. `ethnos` a race, a tribe (of the same habit) one, people.

So, it does not mean a nation as we call them now.

Check out John 11:48 , 50 , 52 .

Also Luke 7:5

And Luke 23:2

Acts 10:22

Check VINE'S DICTIONARY and see that ETHNOS are called GENTILES .

This is why ,that I have found out that the Greek BAPTISM by it self DO NOT mean WATER >

dan p

 

[readywriter]

Yes, for Peter is saying `You are a royal priesthood...` He did not say `We,` which would have included himself.

Note that a royal priesthood is a kingpriest, and that is only of the Lord`s order - kingpriest, (Heb. 6: 20) And that high office is only in the third heaven with Christ`s own throne. All other offices under Christ in other realms are either a king or a priest, but do not hold the two offices like the Body of Christ.

We have the `on top` calling. (Phil. 3: 14)

'Whither the forerunner is for us entered,
even Jesus, made an high priest for ever
after the order of Melchisedec.'
(Heb 6:20)

Hello @Marilyn C,

Yes, praise God! He is both High-Priest and King. (Without alter, offering, sacrifice or successor - B.m.).

' ... a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people' (1 Peter 2:9). I believe that this is related to the redeemed of Israel, and not to the Church which is the Body of Christ. The believing remnant of Israel being those to whom Peter ministered as an Apostle to the Circumcision in 1 Peter 2:9. Who were called out of Israel by God's grace (Rom.11:5): the rest being blinded; that God's purposes may be accomplished for the world, as well as Israel, in regard to reconciliation (Rom.11:15); but one day all Israel will be saved (Rom. 11:26), and it is that repentant, redeemed nation that will be, 'a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar People'. No longer Lo-ammi ('not My People'), but 'The People of God' once more (Hosea 2:23). The believing remnant are a foretaste of what is to come for the redeemed nation of Israel. The remnant of Israel being the church of the first-born (Heb. 12:23), being overcomers in their generation.

When the epistles of Peter were written, the knowledge of the church which is the Body of Christ was 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:26), and therefore unknown: not having been the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or of the writers of the New Testament; even of Paul, until it was Divinely revealed to Him at the end of the Acts period (following Israel's departure into the blindness of unbelief), and made known in the epistles which followed by his hand (Eph. 3:6-11). (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Tit. and Philemon).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Marilyn C]

'Whither the forerunner is for us entered,
even Jesus, made an high priest for ever
after the order of Melchisedec.'
(Heb 6:20)

Hello @Marilyn C,

Yes, praise God! He is both High-Priest and King. (Without alter, offering, sacrifice or successor - B.m.).

' ... a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people' (1 Peter 2:9). I believe that this is related to the redeemed of Israel, and not to the Church which is the Body of Christ. The believing remnant of Israel being those to whom Peter ministered as an Apostle to the Circumcision in 1 Peter 2:9. Who were called out of Israel by God's grace (Rom.11:5): the rest being blinded; that God's purposes may be accomplished for the world, as well as Israel, in regard to reconciliation (Rom.11:15); but one day all Israel will be saved (Rom. 11:26), and it is that repentant, redeemed nation that will be, 'a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar People'. No longer Lo-ammi ('not My People'), but 'The People of God' once more (Hosea 2:23). The believing remnant are a foretaste of what is to come for the redeemed nation of Israel. The remnant of Israel being the church of the first-born (Heb. 12:23), being overcomers in their generation.

When the epistles of Peter were written, the knowledge of the church which is the Body of Christ was 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:26), and therefore unknown: not having been the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or of the writers of the New Testament; even of Paul, until it was Divinely revealed to Him at the end of the Acts period (following Israel's departure into the blindness of unbelief), and made known in the epistles which followed by his hand (Eph. 3:6-11). (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Tit. and Philemon).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris,

We agree on so much, but see this point a bit differently. I do agree that Peter was not given the revelation of the Body of Christ, however by the Holy Spirit he says `you`, and not `we` which would have made him a kingpriest. I do not see anywhere that Israel are kingpriests.

 

[Marilyn C]

Check out John 11:48 , 50 , 52 .

Also Luke 7:5

And Luke 23:2

Acts 10:22

Check VINE'S DICTIONARY and see that ETHNOS are called GENTILES .

This is why ,that I have found out that the Greek BAPTISM by it self DO NOT mean WATER >

dan p

I looked up those scriptures, thank you Dan. However, the word `nation,` `ethnos` does not always mean non-Jewish, Gentiles. John 11: 48 is clearly referring to Israel. And then 1 Peter 2: 9 relates to the Body of Christ, (you) and not `we` which would have included Peter. More scriptures are needed to confirm that it is the Body of Christ.

Kingpriests are only for the Body of Christ, no where does it say that Israel will be kingpriests, but have a king and priests. It is only the Body with the Lord on His own throne that are Kingpriests because He is the King(High)Priest.

 

[Dan Perez]

Hi Chris,

We agree on so much, but see this point a bit differently. I do agree that Peter was not given the revelation of the Body of Christ, however by the Holy Spirit he says `you`, and not `we` which would have made him a kingpriest. I do not see anywhere that Israel are kingpriests.

Try Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests to God ,

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

I looked up those scriptures, thank you Dan. However, the word `nation,` `ethnos` does not always mean non-Jewish, Gentiles. John 11: 48 is clearly referring to Israel. And then 1 Peter 2: 9 relates to the Body of Christ, (you) and not `we` which would have included Peter. More scriptures are needed to confirm that it is the Body of Christ.

Kingpriests are only for the Body of Christ, no where does it say that Israel will be kingpriests, but have a king and priests. It is only the Body with the Lord on His own throne that are Kingpriests because He is the King(High)Priest.

And here is and other one in Ex 19:6 And ye shall unto to Me a KINGDOM of PRIESTS .

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

Try Rev 1:6 and hath made us kings and priests to God ,

dan p

Thank you dan. The two offices there are kings and priests, and we see that the 12 disciples/apostles are rulers, (kings) and there are priests in Israel. Then for the Body of Christ they are kings and priests and have those offices together.

 

[Marilyn C]

And here is and other one in Ex 19:6 And ye shall unto to Me a KINGDOM of PRIESTS .

dan p

Yes, good find. Israel is called to be a kingdom of priests. That does not say they will be kingpriests.

 

[readywriter]

Hi Chris,

We agree on so much, but see this point a bit differently. I do agree that Peter was not given the revelation of the Body of Christ, however by the Holy Spirit he says `you`, and not `we` which would have made him a kingpriest. I do not see anywhere that Israel are kingpriests.

'But ye are a chosen generation,
.. a royal priesthood,
.... an holy nation,
...... a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises
of Him Who hath called you
out of darkness into His marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people,
but are now the people of God:
which had not obtained mercy,
but now have obtained mercy.'
(1 Pet. 2:9-10)

'Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed,
and keep My covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people:
for all the earth is Mine:
And ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
(Exo 19:5-6)

Thank you for responding, Marilyn. I do dislike being at odds with you, for as you say, we agree on so much.

I believe that the believing remnant of Israel, of the diaspora, as in the land, to whom Peter addressed his words, are those to whom these words were spoken. They are a 'chosen' generation, and a holy nation, and the words of God spoken by Moses to Israel in Exodus 19:5-6, have become theirs, as the believing nucleus of the nation to come, chosen out and equipped for service as they have been. They are a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation:- 'a royal priesthood', 'a holy nation' and 'a peculiar People', for they have obeyed God's voice indeed, which is the divine pre-requisite for such distinction.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Marilyn C]

'But ye are a chosen generation,
.. a royal priesthood,
.... an holy nation,
...... a peculiar people;
that ye should shew forth the praises
of Him Who hath called you
out of darkness into His marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people,
but are now the people of God:
which had not obtained mercy,
but now have obtained mercy.'
(1 Pet. 2:9-10)

'Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed,
and keep My covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people:
for all the earth is Mine:
And ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
(Exo 19:5-6)

Thank you for responding, Marilyn. I do dislike being at odds with you, for as you say, we agree on so much.

I believe that the believing remnant of Israel, of the diaspora, as in the land, to whom Peter addressed his words, are those to whom these words were spoken. They are a 'chosen' generation, and a holy nation, and the words of God spoken by Moses to Israel in Exodus 19:5-6, have become theirs, as the believing nucleus of the nation to come, chosen out and equipped for service as they have been. They are a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation:- 'a royal priesthood', 'a holy nation' and 'a peculiar People', for they have obeyed God's voice indeed, which is the divine pre-requisite for such distinction.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris,

Yes, we have been taught differently. I do see why you believe as you do and we know it does not affect our eternal inheritance in glory. Would you like to enlarge on that for me so as I can understand what you believe of our inheritance, thank you. (Not to wrangle about words, just interested.)

regards, Marilyn.