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Arafat recognizes Jewish tie to Zion

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Arafat Seeks to Restore His Mideast Status

By JAMES BENNET
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Published: December 11, 2003

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Mr. Arafat was quoted as saying that he insisted on Palestinian sovereignty in east Jerusalem, including over the contested holy site known to Palestinians as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount.

But, he said: "We accept Jewish sovereignty over the Wailing Wall and over the Jewish quarter of the Old City. We accept this only because we recognize and respect the Jewish religion and the Jewish historical attachment to Palestine."

Raanan Gissin, Mr. Sharon's spokesman, dismissed that statement, saying it was not "a recognition of the birthright of the Jews" but merely of the fact that Jerusalem had religious significance for them. Mr. Sharon's stance is that Jerusalem is Israel's eternal, indivisible capital.


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Asked by Mr. Siegman if he objected to the "Jewish character" of Israel, Mr. Arafat did not answer yes or no. He said that he had officially recognized Israel and that it followed from that recognition that Israel's citizens "have the right to determine the identity and character of the state of Israel, as long as it remains a democratic state and grants equal rights to others, including its large Arab population."


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In response to other questions, Mr. Arafat said he would not insist that a Palestinian state have as its precise borders the ones that Israel crossed in the 1967 war when it occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. He said he would accept "limited territorial exchanges," in other words, swapping land that Israel wanted to retain in the West Bank for land within Israel.

He also said he was "prepared to accept limitations on the Palestinian state's military capacities," as well as international monitors within the state and on its borders to check its compliance.



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Hmm. I looked real hard, but I couldn't find anything about "pushing the Jews into the sea" in there. Could anyone else?
 

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Goldstein said:
Arafat Seeks to Restore His Mideast Status

By JAMES BENNET
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Published: December 11, 2003

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Mr. Arafat was quoted as saying that he insisted on Palestinian sovereignty in east Jerusalem, including over the contested holy site known to Palestinians as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount.

But, he said: "We accept Jewish sovereignty over the Wailing Wall and over the Jewish quarter of the Old City. We accept this only because we recognize and respect the Jewish religion and the Jewish historical attachment to Palestine."

Raanan Gissin, Mr. Sharon's spokesman, dismissed that statement, saying it was not "a recognition of the birthright of the Jews" but merely of the fact that Jerusalem had religious significance for them. Mr. Sharon's stance is that Jerusalem is Israel's eternal, indivisible capital.


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Asked by Mr. Siegman if he objected to the "Jewish character" of Israel, Mr. Arafat did not answer yes or no. He said that he had officially recognized Israel and that it followed from that recognition that Israel's citizens "have the right to determine the identity and character of the state of Israel, as long as it remains a democratic state and grants equal rights to others, including its large Arab population."


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In response to other questions, Mr. Arafat said he would not insist that a Palestinian state have as its precise borders the ones that Israel crossed in the 1967 war when it occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. He said he would accept "limited territorial exchanges," in other words, swapping land that Israel wanted to retain in the West Bank for land within Israel.

He also said he was "prepared to accept limitations on the Palestinian state's military capacities," as well as international monitors within the state and on its borders to check its compliance.



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Hmm. I looked real hard, but I couldn't find anything about "pushing the Jews into the sea" in there. Could anyone else?
This is a first as far as I know. Arafat, as far as I know has never said anything near this. We'll see.
 
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Well this is the view the palestinians have, even if that would happen...

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/article3560.html

Hmm. I looked real hard, but I couldn't find anything about "pushing the Jews into the sea" in there. Could anyone else?
Well it wouldn't have been the smartest thing to say that now would it? They say one thing to the western media and another to their own people. I doubt anything has happened sence october that would miraculously have changed their view of the jewish people.
 
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So the jews don't deserve a country? And if they deserve one somewhere else where would that be? South Pole? Not their ancient homeland?

Here is a map of the pre 1947, british mandate:
http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dt10

The jews were given the territory to the west, roughly the areas that used to be the jewish homeland back in the biblical times.

http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dsx0

In other words it's not ok to give the jews back the land that used to be theirs! The palestinians were given a land area roughly twice the size of modern israel. And nobody forced the palestinians to move out of israel either, they'd been welcome to continue living inside israel under jewish rule.
 
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Silvio Dante said:
On that twisted logic I demand a Country for Left handed People....:rolleyes:
"Twisted" only cause it gives a justifiable/legal reason israel should exist where it does.

Without that "twisted" logic a sovereign Ireland has no right to exist either.

You're comment about left handed people,... now there is some real twisted logic. Left handed people never had a country, nor are they even a real "people" for that matter.
 
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Divvy said:
And nobody forced the palestinians to move out of israel either, they'd been welcome to continue living inside israel under jewish rule.
Palestinian Christians who where removed from their homes in 1948 may disagree with you.

http://www.presence.tv/cms/ateek02.shtml
 
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Silvio Dante said:
Of course they are a REAL People. Just as long nosed and blonde People are. Fact is a Zionist State that thrives on exploiting the down trodden Palestinian People is unnacceptable whatever way you try to twist it....
No left handers aren't A PEOPLE, they are individuals within all groups of people. You're argument completly illogical and rediculous that I can't believe Im even replying to this. sheesh...

And the jews aren't exploting the palestinian people, for that matter either. If anyone is exploting the palestinians it's their own leadership and the arab world to further their own agenda of ridding the middle east of any jewish presence. And that is the way it's been sence day one.

Anyone that doesn't see the jewish ties to israel is blind or blinded by hatred. Have you ever read the bible? Where does it take place now again?
 
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PLO Charter Article 15:


“The liberation of Palestine from and Arab point of view, is a national duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist and imperalist aggression against the Arab homeland and aims at the liquidation of the Zionist presence in Palestine"

Mohammud get your gun!:idea: We got incoming zionist imperalist! And Mr. Hitler says true patriots shoot to kill!

 
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notto said:
Palestinian Christians who where removed from their homes in 1948 may disagree with you.

[url="http://www.presence.tv/cms/ateek02.shtml"]http://www.presence.tv/cms/ateek02.shtml
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Well after reading that article I can't deny that some were forced to move, pretty sad story :( .

However another article (in swedish though so I doubt a link to it will be of any use) I've read suggests that most fled because of horror stories told by their leaders. Like the one mentioned briefly in the article, if that really happened or not.

It happened to be war at the time, so if a town looked like a threat to the israelis it might very well have been forcefully evacuated.

I doubt it was the official israeli policy to remove the palestinians though, othervice why are there currently roughly as many arabs living inside israel as jews? Israel hasn't agreed to let refugees return so that can't be it.

Well I don't deliberatly spread lies so thanks for pointing out that error, sorry. :blush:
 
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The OP is a true laugher!

In otherwords, Arafat wants the line for Israel to go back totally to pre-1967. I doubt sincerely that Israel would ever give up East Jerusalem again!
...especially since the palestinians vow to continue attacking afterwards. Exactly what would Isreal gain by agreeing to it? Definitely not peace. Maybe a cease-fire for a month or two.

Just giving the palestinian time to bolster their forces and and prepare for a final assault.
 
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Divvy said:
Well after reading that article I can't deny that some were forced to move, pretty sad story :( .

However another article (in swedish though so I doubt a link to it will be of any use) I've read suggests that most fled because of horror stories told by their leaders. Like the one mentioned briefly in the article, if that really happened or not.

It happened to be war at the time, so if a town looked like a threat to the israelis it might very well have been forcefully evacuated.

I doubt it was the official israeli policy to remove the palestinians though, othervice why are there currently roughly as many arabs living inside israel as jews? Israel hasn't agreed to let refugees return so that can't be it.

Well I don't deliberatly spread lies so thanks for pointing out that error, sorry. :blush:
Yes, Palestinian leaders always said that probably their biggest mistake in the 1948 war was telling Arab villagers that the Jewish soldiers were raping Arab women (which was false or at least a big exaggeration). That caused many many Arabs to flee and weakened their claim of right of return.

Arabs are roughly 10% of Israel's citizenry, although if you count everyone in Israel & the occupied territories, the numbers are nearly equal. Jews have a slight majority in that case.
 
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