Apostles Creed is False

[Jcsogls]

The line that suggests that Jesus descended into hell and set the captives free is unbiblical. He defeated satan on the cross gave up his spirit and on the 3rd day rose to heaven

 

[justified]

actually, it says that he descended to hades, which is not hell, really. and it doesn't say that he set captives free there, if i recall. There is a verse that sounds similar, though:

This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? (Eph. 4)

 

[AngCath]

He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.

nothing in there about what your talking about.
And yes, modern translations says descended to the dead instead of hell.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

The line that suggests that Jesus descended into hell and set the captives free is unbiblical. He defeated satan on the cross gave up his spirit and on the 3rd day rose to heaven

Where is this captive stuff because I never learned that? Jesus went into Gr: Hades or Heb: Sheol

Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul to Sheol; Neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption.

Ps 49:15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol; For he will receive me.

Acts 2:31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.


I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.


The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

actually, it says that he descended to hades, which is not hell, really. and it doesn't say that he set captives free there, if i recall. There is a verse that sounds similar, though:

This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? (Eph. 4)

31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. (ASV)

The Greek idea is that Hades is a subterranian location translated as Hell into English. Yes, Jesus went to Hell. The problem is not that He went to Hell but the problem the OP has is the unbiblical idea of what that means.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

The line that suggests that Jesus descended into hell and set the captives free is unbiblical. He defeated satan on the cross gave up his spirit and on the 3rd day rose to heaven

The Apostle's Creed:

I believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth.And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He rose from the dead, He ascended into Heaven and sits on the right hand of God the Father almighty, from there He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy catholic church – the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen!​

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"Set the Captives Free?"​

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Um, where's the "set the captives free" part?​

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"Descended into hell..."​

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The refers to 1 Peter 3:19, "He went and preached to the spirits in prison." "Prison" is usually seen as a reference to Sheol - whether that's exactly "hell" (especially in the Greek sense) is a matter of some debate. ​

The timing of this "visit" is unclear from 1 Peter - and the Creed doesn't exactly say either, although it lists it between Good Friday and Easter - the usual understanding of this, but where the statement is name doesn't imply anything authoritatively. ​

The purpose of this "visit" is also not stated - in 1 Peter OR in the Creed. There are 3 main theories, but they are only theories. ​

WHY this obscure event got into the ancient creed is probably anyone's guess, but it's very ancient - seen in the very oldest forms of the Creed. ​

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MY view...​

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Keep the faith! Share the love!​

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- Josiah​

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[DevotiontoBible]

"Descended into hell..."​

. There are 3 main theories, but they are only theories. ​

WHY this obscure event got into the ancient creed is probably anyone's guess, but it's very ancient - seen in the very oldest forms of the Creed. ​

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Christ's descent into hell is not a theory nor is it an obscure event. The Bible plainly tells us Acts 2:31 (KJV)
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


The Greek word used here is Hades and the Greek word used in the original Apostles Creed is Hades.

 

[ScottBot]

Christ's descent into hell is not a theory nor is it an obscure event. The Bible plainly tells us Acts 2:31 (KJV)
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


The Greek word used here is Hades and the Greek word used in the original Apostles Creed is Hades.

[bible]1 Peter 3:18-20[/bible]

 

[Outrider]

I haven't seen the clincher Scripture yet.

Ephes. 4:7-10 (ESV)
But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift. [8] Therefore it says,
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men."

[9] ( In saying, "He ascended," what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Notice that, his ascension is higher than six feet in the air and corresponds inversely to his descending, which must be more than six feet under (the grave), hence the usage of "into the lower parts of the earth", meaning, a lot lower than the grave.
I'd say hell is an appropriate interpretation and the Apostles Creed is fine.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

1 Peter 3:18-2018 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

I don't know why you quoted this verse in response to me but I agree that Christ descended into hell and preached to people there.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I haven't seen the clincher Scripture yet.

Ephes. 4:7-10 (ESV)
But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift. [8] Therefore it says,
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men."

[9] ( In saying, "He ascended," what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Notice that, his ascension is higher than six feet in the air and corresponds inversely to his descending, which must be more than six feet under (the grave), hence the usage of "into the lower parts of the earth", meaning, a lot lower than the grave.
I'd say hell is an appropriate interpretation and the Apostles Creed is fine.

Biblical and Non-Biblical Greek writings tell us that hell is a subterranian place.

 

[Outrider]

Biblical and Non-Biblical Greek writings tell us that hell is a subterranian place.

Up for heaven. Down for hell. I get the feeling God is baby-talking to us because we couldn't really understand if expalined it.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Up for heaven. Down for hell. I get the feeling God is baby-talking to us because we couldn't really understand if expalined it.

Not really. Sheol in the OT is Hades in the NT. That is where the departed are.

 

[Outrider]

Not really. Sheol in the OT is Hades in the NT. That is where the departed are.

Well, if you want to understand that if you dig down in the earth far enough you'll reach hell, or if you get in a rocket and go out in space for enough you'll reach heaven. Personally, I think God is baby-talking us.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Well, if you want to understand that if you dig down in the earth far enough you'll reach hell, or if you get in a rocket and go out in space for enough you'll reach heaven. Personally, I think God is baby-talking us.

It is there but in another dimension. Hell is in the earth but in a fourth dimension.

 

[Outrider]

It is there but in another dimension. Hell is in the earth but in a fourth dimension.

I thought dimensions were systems in the material universe. Are heaven and hell physical places, IYO?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I thought dimensions were systems in the material universe. Are heaven and hell physical places, IYO?

Yes.

 

[Outrider]

Yes.

O.K.

 

[ScottBot]

Yes.

They are? So God actually has a physical place of residence? I wonder who his contractors were.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

They are? So God actually has a physical place of residence? I wonder who his contractors were.

You don't believe the Bible is true to state that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended and is now seated at the right hand of God? or that Enoch and Elijah did not die but are physically in heaven also?