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Passage presented, and then grievously "misunderstood."I explained how it is demonstrated: by the five-fold-ministry.
You have no Bible passages that in context shows that the title of apostles and prophets are discontinued.
Now days I'd be wary of anybody calling themselves an apostle, just because of the delusions of grandeur implied.
In the Oriental Orthodox tradition, it is similar to what our friend PsaliChrysostom describes above in the Eastern Orthodox Church. The word we use in Arabic in the Coptic Orthodox Church is رسولي (rasouli), which is just the adjective 'apostolic', and is used in all the ways we might use it in English (e.g., الكنيسة الرسولية 'the apostolic church', الإيمان الرسولي 'the apostolic faith', etc.), a potential difference being that we use it with regard to not just those who converted large groups of people (e.g., St. Gregory, the Illuminator of Armenia), but also those who are primarily remembered for their contributions for preserving the apostolic faith, such as HH St. Athanasius, who always gets the honorific 'the Apostolic'/'el rasouli' whenever we mention him. (Though I suppose since he was responsible for sending the Nubian regions their first bishops in the 4th century when he sent the first of them to Philae, it could be argued that HH is apostolic in the other way, too.)
Anyway, so of course there are apostles today, as there are still men and women carrying out the work of evangelizing the world and preserving the faith delivered to us all by the apostles themselves. The key is that they are not one-off or otherwise 'irregulars' relative to Christianity as it is actually established in the world. I could not declare myself an apostle no matter how I read the Bible, for instance, and 'Apostle' is in itself not an established 'rank' within the Christian Church (a point that some parasitic assemblies, such as that of the Mormons, fail to understand). Rather, an apostle of a given time or place will be recognized to be so by the true successors of the original Apostles of Christ, who are the bishops presiding over a given territory and church (e.g., the Georgian Orthodox Church in the country of Georgia, the Armenian Apostolic Church in Armenia, etc.), in the direct line of our fathers and masters the holy apostles and disciples of Christ our God. For example, HH Pope Tawadros II, who has held this position since 2012, is the 118th patriarch to preside over the See of St. Mark, which was established by the apostle and Gospel-writer himself sometime before 68 AD. (As near as I can tell, there has always been at least some degree of debate regarding when exactly our apostle St. Mark arrived in Egypt, but the 68 AD date of his martyrdom does not seem to be contradicted by anyone of note.)
Neither the OO or EO would consider them at all because they are outside of our respective churches. It isn't intended as disrespect but they are simply outside of our respective faiths. For example, the Eastern Orthodox call St. Nicholas of Japan the Equal-of-the-Apostles because he founded the Japanese Orthodox church. The OO don't recognize him because he is EO and not OO.I'm inclined to agree.
Would that mean you would consider someone like Charles Spurgeon and Billy Graham apostles since they led so many people to faith?
Neither the OO or EO would consider them at all because they are outside of our respective churches. It isn't intended as disrespect but they are simply outside of our respective faiths. For example, the Eastern Orthodox call St. Nicholas of Japan the Equal-of-the-Apostles because he founded the Japanese Orthodox church. The OO don't recognize him because he is EO and not OO.
If there are no Apostles today, there are also no Prophets, no Evangelist, no Pastors, and no Teachers either.And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
@Jesse Dornfeld What do you find funny in my post?
You cannot separate the word
I did not say you cannot spread the word - I said you cannot separate the word. Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors and Teachers are all part of the same sentence - If one is no longer, then all are no longer. They cannot be separated.Seems nonsensical that you can't spread the word today. I thought you were joking.
I did not say you cannot spread the word - I said you cannot separate the word. Apostles, Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors and Teachers are all part of the same sentence - If one is no longer, then all are no longer. They cannot be separated.
Absolutely yes.Correct. So they are all around today. That's why it says they are around "until we are unified in the knowledge of the Son of God."
Absolutely yes.
Since many agree that (regardless of what we see around us) Apostles and Prophets exist today and will continue to exist till the end, many will also ask: "Where are the manifestations that accompany and prove" these ministries?
1 Corin 12:12
(Weymouth) The signs that characterize the true Apostle have been done among you, accompanied by unwearied fortitude, and by tokens and marvels and displays of power.
(Williams) The marks that signify the genuine apostle were exhibited among you in my perfect patience, in signs, wonders, and wonder-works.
I would submit that because of errors in the fundamental doctrines taught by called apostles who SHOULD have these signs, there are none
IOWs the Holy Spirit is not going to confirm teaching that has grievous errors that do not follow the fundamentals listed in Heb 6:1-3.
Billy Graham didn't firm up churches, he distracted from their full basis to some extent, partly because of his wobbling, plus when the world needed a wider range of ministries, many others sat back.... Billy Graham apostles since they led so many people to faith? ...
Apostolic MinistryDo they have demonstrated "signs and wonders"? Is that required to be an apostle in your tradition? Because that is one of the key things that marks a person as an apostle.
You canIf there are no Apostles today, there are also no Prophets, no Evangelist, no Pastors, and no Teachers either.
You cannot separate the word
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