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Apostle Peter and a literal Babylon?

Jonathan95

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Hi,

Some believe that Babylon in 1 Pet 5:13 literally meant Babylon (the area around Iran), and that Peter never went to Rome.

While others believe it meant Rome.

Since Peter was crucified, and crucifixion is a Roman execution method, then how could he have spent his time in Persia and been crucified there, when it didn't belong to the Roman Empire at that time?

I haven't heard this argument regarding the crucifixion before, it's something I came to think off as possible evidence that Peter was in Rome.

Archeology and history (both Christian and secular) seems to prove that Babylon meant Rome in that case.
 

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History (not the Bible) tells us that Peter was in Antioch in the early years and later went to Rome. There is no Biblical support for either of these positions, but the historical record is pretty strong.
 
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History (not the Bible) tells us that Peter was in Antioch in the early years and later went to Rome. There is no Biblical support for either of these positions, but the historical record is pretty strong.

Jesus prophesied (John 21:18-19) by which method Peter would be martyred (crucifixion), and since crucifixion is a roman method of execution, obviously he had to be in a place where this method of execution was used. So in that sense, there seems to be Biblical support (in my opinion at least) that he have been in Rome, which is likely since he was crucified.

I don't agree that the Bible doesn't tell us that Peter was in Antioch. It does in Galatians 2:11.
 
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I agree that it would be very difficult to try and make the case that Saint Peter was saying that he was literally in Babylon (Iraq). There is no historical evidence that could back up this assertion while there is plenty of evidence to back up that Saint Peter was in Rome. The Bible does not tell us where every single apostle went to so we must rely on historical evidence and the earliest traditions.

If you read the book of Revelations, the word Babylon is symbolic of Rome so the connection to what Saint Peter said was clear. In the Old Testament, Babylon was the great enemy of the Jews so it would make sense to apply this symbolic meaning to Rome who at the time was the great persecutor of Christianity.
 
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I don't know if it helps or hurts you, but Babylon was NOT in Persia. It was much nearer by, in central Iraq. Although not a part of the Roman Empire in Peter's time, it was almost encircled by the Empire and very close to it.
 
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Well, Jerusalem also seemed to have been codenamed Babylon. It doesn't have to have the same meaning always, right? Or has it changed? Or has some of the prophesies in the book of Revelation been fulfilled? If one interprets it to mean Jerusalem, then certainly much of it could have been fulfilled in 70 AD when the romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, which Jesus also prophesied.

Also, if Rome is the Babylon referred to in Book of Revelation, how does this affect the catholic church which is seated in Rome?

Another thing which seems to further indicate that Babylon in the Book of Revelation is Jerusalem and not Rome is that Revelation 11:8 (NKJV) says "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Jesus wasn't crucified in Rome.

Someone called Loraine Boettner said: "But there is no good reason for saying that "Babylon" means "Rome." The reason alleged by the Church of Rome for understanding Babylon to mean Rome is that in the book of Revelation Rome is called by that name (Rev. 17:5; 18:2). But there is a great difference between an apocalyptic book such as the book of Revelation, which for the most part is written in figurative and symbolic language, and an epistle such as this which is written in a straightforward, matter of fact style. In regard to Peter's assignment to work among the Jews, it is known that there were many Jews in Babylon in New Testament times. Many had not returned to Palestine after the Exile. Many others, such as those in Asia Minor and Egypt, had been driven out or had left Palestine for various reasons. Josephus says that some "gave Hyrcanus, the high priest, a habitation at Babylon, where there were Jews in great numbers" (Antiquities, Book XV, Ch. II, 2). Peter's assigned ministry to the Jews took him to those places where the Jews were in the greatest numbers, even to Babylon."

I don't know if it helps or hurts you, but Babylon was NOT in Persia. It was much nearer by, in central Iraq. Although not a part of the Roman Empire in Peter's time, it was almost encircled by the Empire and very close to it.

Ok sorry. I also said "the area around Iran" in the beginning of my first post.
 
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I've already read much of Eusebius church history book.

Btw, I don't read books by Joel Osteen. I've never read any by Billy Graham either.
 
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