Anything new in these debates?

Chinbits · Mar 14, 2017

Hi.

I used to visit these forums frequently years ago. I was a Christian back then, no religious beliefs now. I see that AV is still doing his [insert] challenge, (I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge"), I see Loudmouth and Wiccan Child are still here.

To the old-school heads: aren't you bored yet? It's pretty likely that after a certain amount of time, you're probably not going to change your minds. What keeps you coming back to Crevo?
Anyway...it was nice to see some old names are still around.

Left · Mar 14, 2017

Hello from someone who has been here two weeks, debates, and has a lot of posts....... for being here two weeks.

mark kennedy · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
Hi.

I used to visit these forums frequently years ago. I was a Christian back then, no religious beliefs now. I see that AV is still doing his [insert] challenge, (I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge"), I see Loudmouth and Wiccan Child are still here.

To the old-school heads: aren't you bored yet? It's pretty likely that after a certain amount of time, you're probably not going to change your minds. What keeps you coming back to Crevo?
Anyway...it was nice to see some old names are still around.

I'm in, I'm out, but I always seem to come back for more. I keep seeing LM on the political forums and strangely we have similar political beliefs even though we couldn't be further apart on the origins topic. I always seem to learn something from these discussions, the search for source material has been one of the more interesting pursuits. I've developed a fascination for the life sciences, especially genetics. The debate isn't just a contest, it's a process where you allow your ideas to be challenged. That process is important, I've learned more from the died in the wool Darwinian then I ever could from Creationists.

In spite of all the fallacious rhetoric, the flame wars, the constant bickering there comes a time when the search for clarification takes a contentious turn. I came here to learn and came away with far more then I could ever have anticipated. At the end of the day I'm as sure of the testimony of Scriptures as I have ever been, this subject has been the single best exercise in evidential apologetics I've ever seen. No, it's not going to change my religious convictions but what it can do is broaden my view of history, philosophy and a search for answers that remain elusive to even the most learned minds of science and theology.

Frankly I've never seen a better hosted forum for discussing these things and I believe in the driving theme that was, and I hope still is, the core conviction of the forum. The truth will prevail.

Grace and peace,
Mark

I'm_Sorry · Mar 15, 2017

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The Stamp · Mar 15, 2017

mark kennedy said:
The truth will prevail.

The truth can only prevail if people stop teaching their children made up 'Alternative Facts', telling your children to believe what you want to be true rather than what is true undermines not only your children but also the society they live in.

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
Hi.

I used to visit these forums frequently years ago. I was a Christian back then, no religious beliefs now. I see that AV is still doing his [insert] challenge, (I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge"), I see Loudmouth and Wiccan Child are still here.

To the old-school heads: aren't you bored yet? It's pretty likely that after a certain amount of time, you're probably not going to change your minds. What keeps you coming back to Crevo?
Anyway...it was nice to see some old names are still around.

I used to frequent EvCforum until creos stopped turning up.

As this is a site where there is no forum rule to present evidence to support one's point and bear links can be used as OPs I can keep being exposed to creo views.

But yes, I have to take frequent breaks because there has been no new creo research for ages.

SkyWriting · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
Hi.

I used to visit these forums frequently years ago. I was a Christian back then, no religious beliefs now. I see that AV is still doing his [insert] challenge, (I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge"), I see Loudmouth and Wiccan Child are still here.

To the old-school heads: aren't you bored yet? It's pretty likely that after a certain amount of time, you're probably not going to change your minds. What keeps you coming back to Crevo?
Anyway...it was nice to see some old names are still around.

I've seen people change their minds on this forum.

AV1611VET · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
(I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge")

Yesiree!

I consider My Apple Challenge as my magnum opus here.

If they took every single one of my threads away except one, I would want the remainder to be My Apple Challenge.

SkyWriting · Mar 15, 2017

Larnievc said:
I used to frequent EvCforum until creos stopped turning up.

As this is a site where there is no forum rule to present evidence to support one's point and bear links can be used as OPs I can keep being exposed to creo views.

But yes, I have to take frequent breaks because there has been no new creo research for ages.

It's doesn't even exist....
until you look for it.

Astronomy
Distant Starlight Project: answering the question of how starlight can arrive within the biblical time frame

Intergalactic Structures Project: analyzing SDSS (Sloan Digital Sky Survey) data for patterns that challenge Big Bang assumptions

Genetics
Human Genome Project: disproving the myth that humans and chimps have 98% identical DNA

Chimp Genome Project: reconstructing the chimp genome without evolutionary assumptions

Climate
Refuting Milankovitch Project: exposing circular and inconsistent reasoning in secular methodologies

Pre-Flood Climate Project: reconstructing antediluvianconditions to confirm creation

Fossils
Dinosaur Proteins Project: characterizing the nature and extent of short-lived fossil biomaterials like intact vertebrate proteins and elements such as radiocarbon found inside dinosaur and other ancient bones

Geology

Column Project: analyzing rock layers globally to reconstruct the stages of the Genesis Flood and explain why certain fossils are found only in certain areas, and to determine the approximate topography of the pre-Flood world

Physics
Radiometric Dating Project: exposing the errors in secular dating methods to negate deep time

Accelerated Decay Project: analyzing the conditions under which decay can be accelerated

Isotope Project: analyzing samples for intermediate half-life elements to refute deep time

Anatomy

Organism Interface Project: applying engineering principles to reveal biological details of how organisms successfully relate with their environments and with other organisms

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2017

SkyWriting said:
It's doesn't even exist....
until you look for it.

Astronomy
Distant Starlight Project: answering the question of how starlight can arrive within the biblical time frame

Intergalactic Structures Project: analyzing SDSS (Sloan Digital Sky Survey) data for patterns that challenge Big Bang assumptions

Genetics
Human Genome Project: disproving the myth that humans and chimps have 98% identical DNA

Chimp Genome Project: reconstructing the chimp genome without evolutionary assumptions

Climate
Refuting Milankovitch Project: exposing circular and inconsistent reasoning in secular methodologies

Pre-Flood Climate Project: reconstructing antediluvianconditions to confirm creation

Fossils
Dinosaur Proteins Project: characterizing the nature and extent of short-lived fossil biomaterials like intact vertebrate proteins and elements such as radiocarbon found inside dinosaur and other ancient bones

Geology

Column Project: analyzing rock layers globally to reconstruct the stages of the Genesis Flood and explain why certain fossils are found only in certain areas, and to determine the approximate topography of the pre-Flood world

Physics
Radiometric Dating Project: exposing the errors in secular dating methods to negate deep time

Accelerated Decay Project: analyzing the conditions under which decay can be accelerated

Isotope Project: analyzing samples for intermediate half-life elements to refute deep time

Anatomy

Organism Interface Project: applying engineering principles to reveal biological details of how organisms successfully relate with their environments and with other organisms

Religious propaganda is not research.

The ICR makes it very clear that it puts the Bible first, data second.

SkyWriting · Mar 15, 2017

Larnievc said:
Religious propaganda is not research.

The ICR makes it very clear that it puts the Bible first, data second.

You don't actually get to decide what research is.
Even peer review is being phased out.
And your comments focus was on what was "new".
Not on what you approved of.

That would have been "I don't see anything here I approve of."
which is accurate.

USincognito · Mar 15, 2017

The quality of debate has declined to the point where it barely exists these days. Most of the Creationists are intransigent and immune to correction or they're the usual suspects posting inanity and PRATTs.

It's a real shame. This used to be a pretty stimulating section of CF.

SkyWriting · Mar 15, 2017

USincognito said:
The quality of debate has declined to the point where it barely exists these days. Most of the Creationists are intransigent and immune to correction or they're the usual suspects posting inanity and PRATTs. It's a real shame. This used to be a pretty stimulating section of CF.

That was all eliminated when personal attacks were banned
and the focus was restricted to the post content.

quatona · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
Anything new in these debates?

As of lately, we seem to have some flat-earthers hanging around here.

stuart lawrence · Mar 15, 2017

Chinbits said:
Hi.

I used to visit these forums frequently years ago. I was a Christian back then, no religious beliefs now. I see that AV is still doing his [insert] challenge, (I think the first one was the "My Apple Challenge"), I see Loudmouth and Wiccan Child are still here.

To the old-school heads: aren't you bored yet? It's pretty likely that after a certain amount of time, you're probably not going to change your minds. What keeps you coming back to Crevo?
Anyway...it was nice to see some old names are still around.

Did being on these forums have anything to do with you leaving Christianity?

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2017

SkyWriting said:
You don't actually get to decide what research is.
Even peer review is being phased out.
And your comments focus was on what was "new".
Not on what you approved of.

That would have been "I don't see anything here I approve of."
which is accurate.

The thing is one can't call something research when the ICR has flatly stated that no answer that is not 'goddidit' will be returned.

If I said I'm going to research into your finances but I've already concluded that you are guilty of wire fraud then you would be justified in saying that my 'research' was simply a waste of time.

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
Did being on these forums have anything to do with you leaving Christianity?

I know that the question was not addressed to me but my perception of Christians has changed significantly since coming here.

stuart lawrence · Mar 15, 2017

Larnievc said:
I know that the question was not addressed to me but my perception of Christians has changed significantly since coming here.

May I ask in what way?

Larniavc · Mar 15, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
May I ask in what way?

I was shocked at the punitive nature of some Protestant Christians when it comes to looking after the less advantaged in America, denial of accepted science and trying to weld their faith to positions of power in the government.

I knew America was a very right wing country but reading about how some people here are not for universal health care (so that it is not only the rich who get health care) was very surprising.

I guess I thought that Christians as a bloc would just be kinder than I see here (not even close to everyone, of course).

In my country Christians seem far less authoritarian.

stuart lawrence · Mar 15, 2017

Larnievc said:
I was shocked at the punitive nature of some Protestant Christians when it comes to looking after the less advantaged in America, denial of accepted science and trying to weld their faith to positions of power in the government.

I knew America was a very right wing country but reading about how some people here are not for universal health care (so that it is not only the rich who get health care) was very surprising.

I guess I thought that Christians as a bloc would just be kinder than I see here (not even close to everyone, of course).

In my country Christians seem far less authoritarian.

Dont judge Christianity by the internet!
And however countries are in general, there are very sincere christians in all countries. Catholic and protestant alike

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