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The funny thing: Eli has been unable to demonstrate anything a moral subjectivst cannot do that a moral objecivist can do (except for saying "this is objectively wrong"). No behaviour is precluded by the mere fact that someone is a subjectivist (and that includes cursing, hurting or even killing the person the subjectivist feels wronged by, not to mention preventing them from doing it).
So all Elioenai can do (of course without substantiating it), and which I can´t do is:
Use one particular wording ("objectively unjustified/wrong/bad/evil/good/right/justified...").
That´s quite a weapon he has there to make the world a better place. I´m sure everyone whose behaviour he disapproves of are trembling in fear once he pulls the word "objectively". :rollleyes:
Is there ever a realistic circumstance or situation where it would be good/justifiable/permissible/acceptable to rape a young child?
Yes or no?
Will you never get tired of repeating this script, regardless how often and how detailed the question has been answered?Is there ever a realistic circumstance or situation where it would be good/justifiable/permissible/acceptable to rape a young child?
Yes or no?
Have you stopped beating your wife? (Hint: loaded questions can´t be answered yes or no.)If you can answer this question with a yes or no, then all my work here will be done regarding you. Either way, let us all know.
Why?
Ever heard the term "empathy"?Why?
Well, my internal subjective moralitometer has been formed and fashioned from lots of different influences: intuitions, life experience, encountering different moral ideas from religion and philosophy...
The short answer to your question is: In my opinion, no.
Have you stopped beating your wife? (Hint: loaded questions can´t be answered yes or no.)
In my opinion the desires of the adult don´t outweigh the short- and longterm suffering that their doings cause to the children.
Answered in the previous post.Why?
See: No way of answering the question yes or no.I do not have a wife.
Did anyone have to teach you that raping children was immoral, or did you know it intuitively?
Why it is more important to me? Are you asking me why I don´t like to see people suffer? That´s just the way it is. Do you want me to rationalize my empathy?Why is preventing a child from suffering more important than a man's sexual gratification?
Why it is more important to me? Are you asking me why I don´t like to see people suffer? That´s just the way it is. Do you want me to rationalize my empathy?
Are you going to answer your own questions?
(And just so you make no mistake: Rape is not about sex, it´s about power.)
Probably largely intuition. Sadly, intuition is not a very good determiner of objective truth. And in this case, there isn't even any objective truth to determine.
To say that they furnish a reason to deny that it is objectively wrong to torture and rape
According to recent findings of brain research it´s due to so called "mirror cells" that can be found in the brain. Different people seem to have more or less of them? Why don´t you have this empathy and need to look for "objectivity" in your insecurity? Why does another person feel the drive to be destructive in a situation in which I - on the contrary - am overwhelmed by my empathy? Why do I hate the taste of garlic? Why does the next person love it? Why do I love Bach and can´t stand HipHop, and the next person has it the other way round? Why is any form of violence repulsive to me, while most people find it acceptable in certain situations? Why did Hitler feel that "Arians" or worth more than Jews?Why do you have empathy towards people who are suffering?
Yes, psychology, sociology and cultural sciences are highly interesting fields.These are all legitimate questions and the answers to these questions demonstrate why people believe what they do and why people make the moral judgments that they do.
Fortunately, that's not really my argument.
And in other news, it seems that people have "an innate mechanism of preference towards those who we perceive to be similar to ourselves over those who are different". As a believer that there is some connection between intuition and objective morality, what does that tell you about the objective morality of various forms of prejudice?
it is clear that we all apprehend a realm of objective moral values not unlike the objective physical world which we apprehend with our physical senses.
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