Any secular justification for "Defense of Marriage"?

"Evolutionists" always gives me a great laugh.

I am also a germist, for I believe in the germ theory of disease.

SMA12 said:

You cannot separate the two, as I have yet to seen a person argue that a gay couple should be able to marry, but then not be allowed to adopt or raise a child.

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Gay couples can already adopt without getting married. Many gay couples are already raising children. Allowing SSM will not increase the number of gay couples raising kids.

Gay parenting is a consequence of gay marriage, therefor it is a valid secular argument against gay marriage.

I believe my argument should be addressed.

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But it's irrelevant. There is absolutely no requirement to demonstrate parenting ability in order to get married. Secondly, despite the questionable statistics you provided, a loving married gay couple who adopts a child can be a far better family environment than an unloving married straight couple that had a shotgun wedding after getting knocked up.

Skaloop said:

Gay couples can already adopt without getting married. Many gay couples are already raising children. Allowing SSM will not increase the number of gay couples raising kids.

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If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell ya... Of course making same sex marriage more main stream, will also make gay parenting more main stream.

Skaloop said:

But it's irrelevant. There is absolutely no requirement to demonstrate parenting ability in order to get married. Secondly, despite the questionable statistics you provided, a loving married gay couple who adopts a child can be a far better family environment than an unloving married straight couple that had a shotgun wedding after getting knocked up.

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Comparing a "loving" couple to an "unloving" one is comparing apples and oranges. You have to look at loving heterosexual parents vs. loving homosexual parents, or unloving heterosexual vs. unloving homosexual if you want to be intellectually honest. The study I provided does just this.


To deny the negative effects of gay parenting is to deny the psychological consequences of a child growing up without a mother or without a father. It is to claim that a child gains nothing unique from a father or a mother, that as long as there are two parents, all is well.

We cannot control loving vs. unloving households in either heterosexual or homosexual households. But if we know the inherent nature of negative psychological consequences of one over the other, comparing apples to apples, and you advocate for the more negative, then you are placing the importance of a romantic relationship over the importance of a child's well being.

KitKatMatt said:

"Evolutionists" always gives me a great laugh.

I am also a germist, for I believe in the germ theory of disease.

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Next thing you'll be telling us you're one of those gravitationalists!

KitKatMatt said:

"Evolutionists" always gives me a great laugh.

I am also a germist, for I believe in the germ theory of disease.

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Euler said:

Next thing you'll be telling us you're one of those gravitationalists!

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I believe in an ancient universe, and yet an ecosystem which did not grow on it's own but rather God replacing them thereafter extinction.

Euler said:

Next thing you'll be telling us you're one of those gravitationalists!

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I believe in microgravity but not macrogravity.

KitKatMatt said:

I believe in microgravity but not macrogravity.

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Me too! I believe that objects can fall no further than 10,000 metres. These arrogant science types that think that things can fall for miles and miles are just injecting their own religious beliefs into 'true' science!

WindStaff said:

Homosexuals also tend to be serial killers, but let's not make a spectacle of that.

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What a complete and utter lie.

SMA12 said:

We know all to well the negative psychological effect of a child being fatherless or motherless.

A child with 2 fathers is still motherless and a child with 2 mothers is still fatherless.

A child's best chance at proper psychological development, statistically speaking is in a stable home with a mother and a father.

The latest research on the effects of children with homosexual parent seems to verify as much. A child in a house hold with homosexual parents, compared to that of a child in a household with a mother and a father, are among other things more likely to:

• Use drugs
  Encounter sexual abuse
  Drop out of school
  Become homosexual themselves
  To be arrested
  To suffer from depression
  To be unemployed

When you break down the family unit, society is soon to follow. This is why defending the institution of marriage is so important. This pertains not only to so called gay marriage, but also to the culture of divorce prevailing today.


Family Research Council

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The Family Research Council is a disgusting hate group that distorts data to demonize gay people. Their Co-founder was caught hiring a gay prostitute in Europe.

Using them as a resource proves you have no clue what you're talking about and you have a clear anti-gay bias.

Fenny the Fox said:

The Regnerus study? You consider that legitimate and complete?

The study that was audited by the very source that published it - claiming it was falsely reviewed and biased? That major medical organizations filed briefs to have disregarded for legal purposes? The study that his own university (University of Texas) has calimed they don't back? That his own Sociology Department therein went so far as to claim was "fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds"?

Not what I would call legitimate and viable research.

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He quotes FRC and Regenrus. Anti-gay extremists are incapable of relying on reliable, honest sources. They have to use lies and hatred to support their barbaric beliefs.