Anxiety

christian-surfer · Feb 3, 2025

I listen to various audio books to try to help with anxiety. I often hear that we are supposed to have no fear, although I had a discussion with some people about the fear of god. I told someone that brave people have a fear of fear as they say “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself “ but in actuality that also is a fear. I decided that this person just liked to put people down and label them as fearful people as he would then say bravery is a form of fear

At any rate, I often pray to be free from anxiety. I think I however that I often don’t like camping out in the woods by myself, far away from any roads. I also have watched videos about polar bears and grizzly bears and also people suffering and being lost in the wilderness, lost at sea or people who are tortured and mistreated. Maybe I should avoid watching some of this stuff, I am not sure if it sometimes seems fascinating a little but it creates sometimes feelings of self doubt that perhaps I am not always a fearless person. These videos however of fearful situations are always popping up on Facebook and YouTube

stevevw · Feb 3, 2025

christian-surfer said:
I listen to various audio books to try to help with anxiety. I often hear that we are supposed to have no fear, although I had a discussion with some people about the fear of god. I told someone that brave people have a fear of fear as they say “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself “ but in actuality that also is a fear. I decided that this person just liked to put people down and label them as fearful people as he would then say bravery is a form of fear

I think bravery is not lack of fear. Otherwise theres no bravery ie overcoming fear to be brave. Like there no love without hate. No pleasure without pain. I think its a kind of faith in some greater good that can lift someone up to overcome the fear. That transcendent good is more powerful than the fear. Which is Gods strength, faith and trust in God.

christian-surfer said:
At any rate, I often pray to be free from anxiety. I think I however that I often don’t like camping out in the woods by myself, far away from any roads. I also have watched videos about polar bears and grizzly bears and also people suffering and being lost in the wilderness, lost at sea or people who are tortured and mistreated. Maybe I should avoid watching some of this stuff, I am not sure if it sometimes seems fascinating a little but it creates sometimes feelings of self doubt that perhaps I am not always a fearless person. These videos however of fearful situations are always popping up on Facebook and YouTube

But of course we should not put ourselves in harms way in the first place.

But anxiety is a real human trait that stems from just being human in a world of unkowns and being a mortal creature. Its natural to be concerned about safety and security. Being out in the wild humans were volnurable and hung in groups to keep watch.

Research shows that women suffer higher rates of anxiety partly because they bear children and mother and baby are the most volnurable time for human species in the wild. Or for any species.

This natural hightened concern can become exaggerated due to modern day pressures and this is found in studies showing females suffer higher rates of anxiety disorders.

There can also be chemical imbalances in the brain that may cause anxiety disorders. Many people suffer from OCD which seems to be a modern phenomena. So medication can help.

But ultimately its about seeing things in perspective and cognitive therapy can help with this. Talking through situations to lay out the facts and see it for what it is.

Its about establishing the real worries which can be dealt with but also expelling the unreal ones by naming them and keep naming them which can be hard as its facing your fears. But when I say unreal fears or anxiety I don't mean they come from nowhere and have no basis. Extreme fear or anxiety stems from real concerns but are exaggerated into being unreal.

But often it starts with relaxation. Relaxing the body and concentrating on steady breathing. As anxiety basically tenses and relaxation helps physically to relax yourself and slow down and empty yourself of all those stresses and worries. Even walking in the fresh air can help slow down and think. Then you are in a better state to see things more clearly.

But I think also handing those worries over to God as well. Research has also shown that having belief in God helps alleviate anxiety and mental illness. It gives hope and meaning where there was none. Trusting in God and He will always provide a way out or a place where we can fiind hope and meaning beyond this world.

I believe Christs words have real substance in our life. When He says don't fear the world but fear God I think this makes the world tiny and temproray compared to eternal life in hell.

Especially that Christ defeated death. The fear of death is the greatest fear but only if you believe that this life is all there is. But physical death is just the beginning of something much greater when with God.

Unqualified · Feb 3, 2025

@OP fight it. Don’t let it have its way. Making you go backwards. The Bible can make you victorious. Take thoughts captiive as in 2Cor 10:3-5. Be persistent against it if you can. Do not fear as in Isa 41:10 and Isa 26:3-6.
it all depends on how much work you are willing to do. Are you in church?

com7fy8 · Feb 7, 2025

christian-surfer said:
I listen to various audio books to try to help with anxiety.

Not all people will tell you what works to stop your fearing.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

christian-surfer said:
I often hear that we are supposed to have no fear

Well, Philippians 4:6-7 says >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, being anxious is not being obedient to God. And it is against how God would rule us in His own peace guarding our "hearts" and our "minds". I note how this says that God wants to guard our "minds" with His own peace. Therefore, we are not excused to have evil things messing with our "minds".

Also, we have 1 John 4:18 >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, fear is against God's love. And God loves us; so He in His love casts fear out of us, because there is "torment" in fear.

We can see how a lot of things are forms of torment in us. And the torment is connected with fear, in some way. During depression we can be tormented by things we somehow fear. And during boredom we are tormented by our fear of not having something we would like to do. And during loneliness we suffer torment. Unforgiveness includes torment. And even lust for pleasure can involve torment of desiring something and somehow fearing not getting it.

But with God we have almighty immunity against fear and its various forms of torment. While we obey Him in His peace, we are in His immunity almighty against cruel and dominating things of Satan's spirit of selfishness.

So, what is the solution? God through Jesus casts out whatsoever is evil. We do not try to manage it or vent it or treat it like "energy" that needs a constructive outlet. It is of Satan; so it needs to be cast out >

"nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27)

Do not give Satan any place in us for any of his stuff. And if we are attacked or even give in to some awful thing in us . . . trust God to get rid of it. And keep on trusting Him to totally get rid of it. Do not "treat" it, do not try to do things to feel pleasure so you don't feel Satanic stuff. But get rid of it.

Below is scripture which names some wrong things and this says to put them away from you > in other words, get rid of it, do not allow it to stay, in any way, at all >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

So, this scripture also says what to do, instead . . . how to relate with other children of God in His love. And this includes to forgive the way God in Jesus has forgiven us. So, here we can see, also, how unforgivness is unacceptable and we need to get rid of it, not to somehow try to negotiate with it. Unforgiveness is anti-love.

And while we stay in unforgiveness, we stay in weakness so we can keep suffering in various ways. And in the weakness of unforgiveness we can be weak enough, then to give in to fear and anxiety and their various sorts of torment. And then we can be tricked into trying to feel nicer by means of wrong pleasures and human remedies which do not cure our character like only God can.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

christian-surfer said:
I told someone that brave people have a fear of fear as they say “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself “ but in actuality that also is a fear.

It seems there are even ministers who will say that if you are afraid of doing something that God wants, do the thing anyway - - - even while you are still afraid, ones seem to be saying. But it is clear to me, that God's word says His love casts out fear. So, I see it is not Biblical to do something while we are still fearing.

But in God's peace, do what He has us doing >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

christian-surfer said:
I often pray to be free from anxiety.

"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

TGGIL · Feb 8, 2025

Com7fy8, bravo!

soldier of light · Feb 8, 2025

christian-surfer said:
I listen to various audio books to try to help with anxiety. I often hear that we are supposed to have no fear, although I had a discussion with some people about the fear of god. I told someone that brave people have a fear of fear as they say “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself “ but in actuality that also is a fear. I decided that this person just liked to put people down and label them as fearful people as he would then say bravery is a form of fear

At any rate, I often pray to be free from anxiety. I think I however that I often don’t like camping out in the woods by myself, far away from any roads. I also have watched videos about polar bears and grizzly bears and also people suffering and being lost in the wilderness, lost at sea or people who are tortured and mistreated. Maybe I should avoid watching some of this stuff, I am not sure if it sometimes seems fascinating a little but it creates sometimes feelings of self doubt that perhaps I am not always a fearless person. These videos however of fearful situations are always popping up on Facebook and YouTube

Being afraid of wild animals is good not bad. And I have anxiety attacks so I understand.

soldier of light · Feb 8, 2025

com7fy8 said:
Not all people will tell you what works to stop your fearing.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Well, Philippians 4:6-7 says >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, being anxious is not being obedient to God. And it is against how God would rule us in His own peace guarding our "hearts" and our "minds". I note how this says that God wants to guard our "minds" with His own peace. Therefore, we are not excused to have evil things messing with our "minds".

Also, we have 1 John 4:18 >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, fear is against God's love. And God loves us; so He in His love casts fear out of us, because there is "torment" in fear.

We can see how a lot of things are forms of torment in us. And the torment is connected with fear, in some way. During depression we can be tormented by things we somehow fear. And during boredom we are tormented by our fear of not having something we would like to do. And during loneliness we suffer torment. Unforgiveness includes torment. And even lust for pleasure can involve torment of desiring something and somehow fearing not getting it.

But with God we have almighty immunity against fear and its various forms of torment. While we obey Him in His peace, we are in His immunity almighty against cruel and dominating things of Satan's spirit of selfishness.

So, what is the solution? God through Jesus casts out whatsoever is evil. We do not try to manage it or vent it or treat it like "energy" that needs a constructive outlet. It is of Satan; so it needs to be cast out >

"nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27)

Do not give Satan any place in us for any of his stuff. And if we are attacked or even give in to some awful thing in us . . . trust God to get rid of it. And keep on trusting Him to totally get rid of it. Do not "treat" it, do not try to do things to feel pleasure so you don't feel Satanic stuff. But get rid of it.

Below is scripture which names some wrong things and this says to put them away from you > in other words, get rid of it, do not allow it to stay, in any way, at all >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

So, this scripture also says what to do, instead . . . how to relate with other children of God in His love. And this includes to forgive the way God in Jesus has forgiven us. So, here we can see, also, how unforgivness is unacceptable and we need to get rid of it, not to somehow try to negotiate with it. Unforgiveness is anti-love.

And while we stay in unforgiveness, we stay in weakness so we can keep suffering in various ways. And in the weakness of unforgiveness we can be weak enough, then to give in to fear and anxiety and their various sorts of torment. And then we can be tricked into trying to feel nicer by means of wrong pleasures and human remedies which do not cure our character like only God can.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

It seems there are even ministers who will say that if you are afraid of doing something that God wants, do the thing anyway - - - even while you are still afraid, ones seem to be saying. But it is clear to me, that God's word says His love casts out fear. So, I see it is not Biblical to do something while we are still fearing.

But in God's peace, do what He has us doing >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

Anxiety attacks are not what Paul had in mind I think.

soldier of light · Feb 8, 2025

com7fy8 said:
Not all people will tell you what works to stop your fearing.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Well, Philippians 4:6-7 says >

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, being anxious is not being obedient to God. And it is against how God would rule us in His own peace guarding our "hearts" and our "minds". I note how this says that God wants to guard our "minds" with His own peace. Therefore, we are not excused to have evil things messing with our "minds".

Also, we have 1 John 4:18 >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, fear is against God's love. And God loves us; so He in His love casts fear out of us, because there is "torment" in fear.

We can see how a lot of things are forms of torment in us. And the torment is connected with fear, in some way. During depression we can be tormented by things we somehow fear. And during boredom we are tormented by our fear of not having something we would like to do. And during loneliness we suffer torment. Unforgiveness includes torment. And even lust for pleasure can involve torment of desiring something and somehow fearing not getting it.

But with God we have almighty immunity against fear and its various forms of torment. While we obey Him in His peace, we are in His immunity almighty against cruel and dominating things of Satan's spirit of selfishness.

So, what is the solution? God through Jesus casts out whatsoever is evil. We do not try to manage it or vent it or treat it like "energy" that needs a constructive outlet. It is of Satan; so it needs to be cast out >

"nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27)

Do not give Satan any place in us for any of his stuff. And if we are attacked or even give in to some awful thing in us . . . trust God to get rid of it. And keep on trusting Him to totally get rid of it. Do not "treat" it, do not try to do things to feel pleasure so you don't feel Satanic stuff. But get rid of it.

Below is scripture which names some wrong things and this says to put them away from you > in other words, get rid of it, do not allow it to stay, in any way, at all >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

So, this scripture also says what to do, instead . . . how to relate with other children of God in His love. And this includes to forgive the way God in Jesus has forgiven us. So, here we can see, also, how unforgivness is unacceptable and we need to get rid of it, not to somehow try to negotiate with it. Unforgiveness is anti-love.

And while we stay in unforgiveness, we stay in weakness so we can keep suffering in various ways. And in the weakness of unforgiveness we can be weak enough, then to give in to fear and anxiety and their various sorts of torment. And then we can be tricked into trying to feel nicer by means of wrong pleasures and human remedies which do not cure our character like only God can.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

It seems there are even ministers who will say that if you are afraid of doing something that God wants, do the thing anyway - - - even while you are still afraid, ones seem to be saying. But it is clear to me, that God's word says His love casts out fear. So, I see it is not Biblical to do something while we are still fearing.

But in God's peace, do what He has us doing >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

Prayer is the answer to anxiety I think. But an anxiety attack isn't normal anxiety. It's a condition. In my opinion

soldier of light · Feb 8, 2025

Anxiety attacks are something you can't control. In my opinion

trophy33 · Feb 8, 2025

soldier of light said:
Anxiety attacks are something you can't control. In my opinion

I suffered from panic attacks for 2 or 3 years, in the past. You are right its almost impossible to control them directly, but there are some ways to heal from them. Its also possible to limit their impact when the episode is in (or to make it worse when somebody does not know what to do).

Apple Sky · Feb 8, 2025

trophy33 said:
I suffered from panic attacks for 2 or 3 years, in the past. You are right its almost impossible to control them directly, but there are some ways to heal from them. Its also possible to limit their impact when the episode is in (or to make it worse when somebody does not know what to do).

After my heart op in 2016 I suffered panic attacks the doc put me on Antidepressant's & I've not had another.

trophy33 · Feb 8, 2025

Apple Sky said:
After my heart op in 2016 I suffered panic attacks the doc put me on Antidepressant's & I've not had another.

I healed from them with diet and lifestyle changes, namely around managing stress, circadian rhythm, better sleep habits and even some supplements. But it took time.

Apple Sky · Feb 8, 2025

trophy33 said:
I healed from them with diet and lifestyle changes, namely around managing stress, circadian rhythm, better sleep habits and even some supplements. But it took time.

IMO - The natural way is far better.

Johan2222 · Feb 8, 2025

christian-surfer said:
I listen to various audio books to try to help with anxiety. I often hear that we are supposed to have no fear, although I had a discussion with some people about the fear of god. I told someone that brave people have a fear of fear as they say “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself “ but in actuality that also is a fear. I decided that this person just liked to put people down and label them as fearful people as he would then say bravery is a form of fear

At any rate, I often pray to be free from anxiety. I think I however that I often don’t like camping out in the woods by myself, far away from any roads. I also have watched videos about polar bears and grizzly bears and also people suffering and being lost in the wilderness, lost at sea or people who are tortured and mistreated. Maybe I should avoid watching some of this stuff, I am not sure if it sometimes seems fascinating a little but it creates sometimes feelings of self doubt that perhaps I am not always a fearless person. These videos however of fearful situations are always popping up on Facebook and YouTube

Do you want the truth or do you want to receive temporary appeasement and consolation by the flatterers and the deceived who make themselves of the number?

Audio books, videos, camping, you tube, Facebook;

Can you imagine what even the kings from 300 years ago would think of such things?

Huge numbers of us live as kings today and we call our many slaves names like washing machine, microwave, electricity, running water, iron, heater, air conditioner, car and all of these things are far cheaper than paying for the food and board of a human to provide the same service and also they do a far better job.

How amazing that so many of us live in such riches today.

Did you ever hear Christ talk about the deceitfulness of riches?

Do you know who the number are?

2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

1 John 2:15 KJV
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

But you say that the evidence of that love is not in you.

1 John 4:18 KJV
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Where are you now in your walk with Christ?

Matthew 7:13 RSV
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.

Where have you been called to walk?

2 Timothy 2:3-7 NKJV
You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. [4] No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier. [5] And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. [6] The hardworking farmer must be first to partake of the crops. [7] Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

What percentage of people today? Do you think will tell you the truth?

Do you know that every one of them have endured severity and hardship?

Hebrews 12:6-8 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? [8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

EVERY SON.

Have you ever endured anything as severe as scourging?

When I was 16, I left school to join a rebel army at war in Africa knowing that the strong likelihood of my death was far preferable to continued life at home.

After 20 years of war, finding myself once more a homeless refugee in a country thousands of miles from my homeland, desperately disappointed to find myself still alive, I mourned that I had not been killed along with so many of my friends.

It was only a few years after that that God called me out of the darkness into his glorious light and I suddenly knew why I had to endure all that suffering.

2 Corinthians 1:3-5 KJV
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; [4] Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. [5] For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

Matthew 7:14 RSV
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

2 Timothy 2:3-7 NKJV
You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

com7fy8 · Feb 8, 2025

soldier of light said:
Prayer is the answer to anxiety I think. But an anxiety attack isn't normal anxiety. It's a condition. In my opinion

soldier of light said:
Anxiety attacks are something you can't control. In my opinion

So, it seems possible to me, that you don't think anxiety attacks can be controlled because you have not been able to control yours.

Jesus says >

"The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

This is in the Gospel of Luke 18:27.

But if we are not "with God", like Jesus means, it is not possible to take care of our problems . . . in the best possible way.

Yes, medicine and talk therapy and controlling "triggers" can help us feel nicer. But these things can't cure our character, and human treatments can let us keep living our own way while also we stay weak enough so we can keep on being able to suffer emotional trouble.

People also have trouble controlling themselves from arguing in marriages. Only with God is it possible for us to stay out of arguing and frustration and other cruel and anti-love, degrading things. So, anxiety is not the only thing that humans have trouble controlling.

So, what does work? How can we cure our personality and emotional trouble . . . "with God"?

Know that God is almighty so He is easily able to not only control but also to

***get rid of***

any spiritual and emotional and personality trouble.

And He can cure our character so we are like Jesus and therefore love like Jesus.

And Jesus is the way to this God who is so able >

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (in John 14:6)

Therefore, what works is how God brings someone to trust in Jesus and to submit to God. And God corrects us of our selfish nonsense which has helped to keep us weak so we can keep giving in to various bad things.

I do mean > our weakness for selfish pleasure-seeking can help to keep us weak so we can give in to the painful things.

As much as we are weak for things of this life . . . we can stay weak so we can keep suffering and failing in relationships, including how we can give in to boredom and loneliness and insecurity and frustration and depression and unforgiveness and raging anger.

Selfish pursuit for pleasure helps to make way for all of this. Plus, we can get tricked into trying to use pleasures and escapes to keep us from emotional suffering; however, the pleasure and *isolating* ourselves can just keep us weak for more deep trouble.

Only God's love can cure us by means of God sharing His almighty immunity and His

*all*-loving love's

creativity with us. And He has us helping one another, by means of our prayer and example and scriptures and encouragement . . . sharing as family with one another.

"As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)

So, yes while we gain real correction and maturing in Jesus, God makes us able to minister His own grace to so bless each other. I mean grace which is God's own almighty creative power of His love curing us to be and to love like His own Son Jesus.

So, God our Heavenly Father does share His own ability with us, so we can overcome any trouble, plus He has us sharing as family with people ***He*** trusts to help us with this.

soldier of light · Feb 9, 2025

com7fy8 said:
So, it seems possible to me, that you don't think anxiety attacks can be controlled because you have not been able to control yours.

Jesus says >

"The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

This is in the Gospel of Luke 18:27.

But if we are not "with God", like Jesus means, it is not possible to take care of our problems . . . in the best possible way.

Yes, medicine and talk therapy and controlling "triggers" can help us feel nicer. But these things can't cure our character, and human treatments can let us keep living our own way while also we stay weak enough so we can keep on being able to suffer emotional trouble.

People also have trouble controlling themselves from arguing in marriages. Only with God is it possible for us to stay out of arguing and frustration and other cruel and anti-love, degrading things. So, anxiety is not the only thing that humans have trouble controlling.

So, what does work? How can we cure our personality and emotional trouble . . . "with God"?

Know that God is almighty so He is easily able to not only control but also to

***get rid of***

any spiritual and emotional and personality trouble.

And He can cure our character so we are like Jesus and therefore love like Jesus.

And Jesus is the way to this God who is so able >

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (in John 14:6)

Therefore, what works is how God brings someone to trust in Jesus and to submit to God. And God corrects us of our selfish nonsense which has helped to keep us weak so we can keep giving in to various bad things.

I do mean > our weakness for selfish pleasure-seeking can help to keep us weak so we can give in to the painful things.

As much as we are weak for things of this life . . . we can stay weak so we can keep suffering and failing in relationships, including how we can give in to boredom and loneliness and insecurity and frustration and depression and unforgiveness and raging anger.

Selfish pursuit for pleasure helps to make way for all of this. Plus, we can get tricked into trying to use pleasures and escapes to keep us from emotional suffering; however, the pleasure and *isolating* ourselves can just keep us weak for more deep trouble.

Only God's love can cure us by means of God sharing His almighty immunity and His

*all*-loving love's

creativity with us. And He has us helping one another, by means of our prayer and example and scriptures and encouragement . . . sharing as family with one another.

"As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)

So, yes while we gain real correction and maturing in Jesus, God makes us able to minister His own grace to so bless each other. I mean grace which is God's own almighty creative power of His love curing us to be and to love like His own Son Jesus.

So, God our Heavenly Father does share His own ability with us, so we can overcome any trouble, plus He has us sharing as family with people ***He*** trusts to help us with this.

So all the people taking medication just need your advice?

com7fy8 · Feb 9, 2025

soldier of light said:
So all the people taking medication just need your advice?

I did not say to stay away from medication. But I have read a mental health article which says medication can not *cure* a personality trouble. It might affect symptoms but not actually cure the cause.

And I understand this is because our personalities are spiritual at their roots. And therefore a physical medicine can not reach and change what is spiritual.

But, I am aware there are people who say their medicine helps them. Others say no.

But God through Jesus works best. And I understand you might use a pain med while an injury is healing. The med does not cure the injury but it makes you more comfortable. So, I see it is possible to do things to help yourself while God is working deeper to cure our character.

I need personality correction; I pray for God to guide me what He wants me to do. Each of us is unique; so God can guide each of us differently. But all He does in our character is what works the best.

soldier of light · Feb 9, 2025

com7fy8 said:
I did not say to stay away from medication. But I have read a mental health article which says medication can not *cure* a personality trouble. It might affect symptoms but not actually cure the cause.

And I understand this is because our personalities are spiritual at their roots. And therefore a physical medicine can not reach and change what is spiritual.

But, I am aware there are people who say their medicine helps them. Others say no.

But God through Jesus works best. And I understand you might use a pain med while an injury is healing. The med does not cure the injury but it makes you more comfortable. So, I see it is possible to do things to help yourself while God is working deeper to cure our character.

I need personality correction; I pray for God to guide me what He wants me to do. Each of us is unique; so God can guide each of us differently. But all He does in our character is what works the best.

I have no idea how much medicine actually helps me. But it doesn't hurt to take it. My battles are tough but afterwards I have peace, joy, and love.

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