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MorkandMindy

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Yes, when I was young, 22 to 26 it was at it's worst, I had the same antisocial problem, basically I ate a lot of wholewheat bread and it produced terrible wind. I used to wish I could have activated charcoal in my underwear.

Eventually I met someone keen on the Atkins diet and I started it and then I found out about the damage gluten does, that traditional European bread was lower in gluten, so I largely avoid it and oats, so now I no longer have the antisocial problem.
 
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Yes, when I was young, 22 to 26 it was at it's worst, I had the same antisocial problem, basically I ate a lot of wholewheat bread and it produced terrible wind. I used to wish I could have activated charcoal in my underwear.

Eventually I met someone keen on the Atkins diet and I started it and then I found out about the damage gluten does, that traditional European bread was lower in gluten, so I largely avoid it and oats, so now I no longer have the antisocial problem.

Gluten isn't bad except for people with celiac disease. Maybe you do have a bit of a gluten intolerance (obviously, not the disease or you couldn't have eaten it at all) ... or maybe you just ate too much bread (which I assume you didn't eat much on while on the Atkins diet). Fiber does causes gas...just reality of life. I'd be more likely to assume the sugar from the bread caused more of the bad odor.
 
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Gluten isn't bad except for people with celiac disease. Maybe you do have a bit of a gluten intolerance (obviously, not the disease or you couldn't have eaten it at all) ... or maybe you just ate too much bread (which I assume you didn't eat much on while on the Atkins diet). Fiber does causes gas...just reality of life. I'd be more likely to assume the sugar from the bread caused more of the bad odor.

Yes, I think you've got it there.

Oats have no gluten as far as I know and cause way bigger problems than the wholewheat bread.

It certainly was antisocial because the Bible study where the problem was usually bad, was in a living room and once it got past 45 min the digestive pain got bad so I had to escape or it would escape.

Not sure what everyone else is talking about, but thanks for the suggestions.
 
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I don't know if I can be called anti-social, but I do prefer my own company over anyone else's. I can't stand being around people whose vocabulary is so full of profanity that they can't talk without it. I quit using profanity when I was 16 and outgrew the need for it. I also can't stand being around people who want to find fault with me. Either accept me as I am or leave me alone. "What you see is what you get."
 
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Me. Extremely anti-social. So much so I arrange my life to avoid dealing with people. I grocery shop at 2am. I wear sunglasses during the day when I have to go out so I don't have to make eye contact with anyone. I just don't like people; never have; likely never will. My only real social interactions are online because they aren't truly social.

I think people are more trouble than they're worth and prefer to avoid them as much as possible. Unfortunately, since I no longer drive, I have to depend on someone to take to me where I need to go, and it's not always possible to find someone.
 
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I'm not exactly anti-social; I just don't care to be around people any more than is necessary. My sorry-excuse-for-a-dad was hated by everyone in our family who knew him. He went out of his way to make relatives hate him. He was sweet as honey to anyone outside the family, though, because they didn't know the real him and didn't have to live with him. Talk about a hypocrite; he was the real thing.

All through my childhood and teen years, all I ever heard from him were negative words like; "You're useless", "You can't do anything right", "You have nothing to say that's worth hearing", and other "endearing words". I was absolutely terrified of him and couldn't talk to him without stuttering, and the stutter became an embarrassing habit. I couldn't make friends because of it. I wouldn't talk to people because of it, and I didn't gain any control over it until I was in my late 20's. So, despite being born again when I was 17, I was still unable to talk to people. Unfortunately, being a non-talker has become a big part of who I am, and being nearly 70 has not changed that part of me. If I get nervous when I'm talking, try to talk faster than I can think, or lose my train of thought, the stutter will still come out and embarrass me. I find it better for me not to talk.

Scripture says to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you. I can do that, but I doubt that anyone sees anything in me that they want. I am, surprisingly, well liked, and a lot of people somehow know me by name. Maybe it's because I used to walk a lot before my health went south with cancer and other things. As I walked, people would say "Hi", and I would usually stop and talk with them. Now I can barely stand--let alone walk. I often fall and have great difficulty getting up. I fell today outside on some rocks and uncomfortable brush, and now I hurt in several places because of it. No one heard me when I yelled for help. The strength in my arms and legs is very limited, and I'm only getting weaker. Anti-social? I guess people who don't know me personally would call me that, but I still have a lot of that scared child in me who prefers to be alone..
 
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That's saberguy and grandpa for sharing your heart and life experience. I can't imagine what its like to live thru what you guys have been thru.

My personal experience is that if I love each person I meet and open my heart to them that they open their heart back to me and love me back.
 
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There is a large part of me that fears standing before the throne of judgment for all the things I have done, said, and thought over the course of my life. I've served in the military, I've been an agnostic, I've been a drunkard and a drug-addict. I've cursed God so many times I've lost count. Seeing the things I have seen people do, I have completely lost my faith in my fellow humans, and I know that is part of the reason I am unable to form a close bond with a woman and why I am celibate - I simply cannot trust another person, ever, for any reason.

I even look at the fellow worshippers in church with suspicion, because I know for a fact (because I live in a very small town and see everyone all the time), that most of them are "faking the funk" when it comes to their faith, and I'm sure even the pastor has more skeletons in his closet than can easily be counted. I know I deserve Hell for my actions, for what's in my heart, and for the things I have done. I am a tree that has NOT bared good fruit. So are most others. The orchard needs burned to the ground and it's ashes turned under.

There isn't a single human being alive that doesn't "deserve Hell".
 
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Sure, but I am convinced without a doubt in my own mind that no matter what I do from here on out, that all of creation will stand up and shout and clap in unison as Jesus condemns me to the lake of fire to rid creation of a wretched creature such as me. I'm convinced that not even Jesus's sacrifice is sufficient to save a piece of garbage like me. I deserve Hell more than any man in history. I've sinned more than most of you can possibly fathom, and I absolutely delighted in it. More satisfaction in my sins than most get from sexual gratification.

Only if you doubt the Word Of God. God sent His Son to die for our sins. If you have truly repented, you are forgiven. If you are truly sorry for your sins and have asked for forgiveness, your sins are no more. They have been washed away and you soul is as white as snow.

I nearly beat my best friend to death with just my bare hands. I was a drunkard. I have no memory of a three day stretch and I awoke in another state. I absolutely enjoyed inflicting pain upon those who I felt had wronged me. I couldn't even tell you the number of people who carry scars I inflicted upon them. But, I am forgiven because God promised me so.
 
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Nope. don't believe it. The worst thing that ever happened to Christianity was the "sinner's prayer" and the thought that a simple belief could change the destiny of a soul. I will most likely be plagued to another 30-40 years upon this Earth, and no matter what I do, I am going to burn in Hell. Your sins can't even begin to compare to mine.

Then, you doubt the Word of God?
 
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Sure, but I am convinced without a doubt in my own mind that no matter what I do from here on out, that all of creation will stand up and shout and clap in unison as Jesus condemns me to the lake of fire to rid creation of a wretched creature such as me. I'm convinced that not even Jesus's sacrifice is sufficient to save a piece of garbage like me. I deserve Hell more than any man in history. I've sinned more than most of you can possibly fathom, and I absolutely delighted in it. More satisfaction in my sins than most get from sexual gratification.

You must see God as being pretty small if you really believe that your sins are bigger than his Godness and ability to forgive. Even the criminal that hung on the cross next to him admitted he deserved death but yet Jesus forgave him and promised him a place in eternity with him. He had no time to "repent" in anyway but to recognize that Jesus was innocent and was God. The same One who can condemn you is also willing to forgive you if you ask and truly accept Him as God of your life.
 
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Are you trying to pick a fight with me? If so, then be brave enough to say so and we can have a public debate. I'm not afraid to put you in your place in front of this entire forum. Yes, I doubt the word of God. It's my right to. I wrestle with God to change my heart. Any more smart questions?

Why? With that answer you have pulled a knife and cut your own throat. Your response speaks volumes about you. Its sad that you cant see that.
 
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Whatever you say, Mr. Superiority. How does it feel to feel so high-and-mighty? Is the view nice up there?

I'm neither superior to anyone else, nor have I said such. But a God who can whisper the universe into existence can certainly forgive a sinner like me.
 
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