Another reason to vote Democrat? Peak Oil is still a thing. It's coming - sooner or later - it's a geological fact!

[eclipsenow]

Even if you just cannot accept climate change - there’s another reason to get on board with the energy transition. We will RUN OUT of fossil fuels! They are finite! And even though there’s 5 TIMES too much coal left from a climate point of view - it’s not infinite. It runs out in in 135 years, oil in 50 and gas in 45. Years of fossil fuel reserves left (Data from 2020 - so I look 4 years off).

But the real crisis starts much earlier for 2 reasons:

ONE: Note the graph said “Years of global coal, oil and natural gas left, reported as the reserves-to-product (R/P) ratio which measures the number of years of production left based on known reserves and present annual production levels.”

This is a technical way of saying the 3 most deceptive words in energy reporting. “At current rates”. If you look at the history of energy since the start of the industrial revolution, there has never been such a thing for long. “At current rates” just means that year’s rates. Generally speaking, the next year they’ll need MORE energy as the world industrialises, the population rises, and we discover new exciting things to do with energy.

TWO: Resource extraction itself must peak. Basically, to mix up the metaphors - we pick all the low hanging fruit first - then have to get a ladder to climb higher and this is more tiring and uses more of the energy we want to get in the first place!
Or let’s look at oil. Like the fruit, we naturally start off with the biggest, easiest oil fields that are not too deep to drill. Some of the huge oil fields we found were truly awesome places! But as already mentioned, we use more and more each year. So those oil fields have expanded oil production for a few decades, peaked in production, and then declined. This is geology saying “You’re near the end folks!” Peak oil.

As you can see, American regular sweet crude oil peaked in the 1970's. It wasn't until both the world crude oil price had got high enough and the technology had arrived that American Fracking and Canadian Tar Sands became viable. But only at a certain higher price - which is basically the point. Peak oil is about the end of cheap oil, not the end of oil. It's about hitting the half way mark.

Do the maths globally - and we’re somewhere near the half way mark globally - meaning the oil from here is going to be harder to drill, out in deep sea fields, more expensive, and never again meet demand!

If we don’t prepare for this - peak oil will hit first and hit hard! Imagine the panic as we realise OIL PRODUCTION WILL NEVER AGAIN MEET GLOBAL DEMAND! We are not far off that.

But fortunately fears of climate change have started the EV revolution - and now there is an alternative.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act means SO many battery factories are being built now that by 2030 America would hypothetically (as a way of illustrating the sheer quantity) be able to build 18 MILLION EVs a year! That's all your new cars and more - America buys 14 million new cars each year. Tracking the EV battery factory construction boom across North America | TechCrunch
Americans buy about 55 million cars a year but the rest are second hand. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-cars-are-sold-each-year-in-the-us.html The reality is all these batteries will be spread across various sectors - especially grid firming and backup power reserves. But you can see the potential!

Renewables are growing exponentially. Global solar capacity used to double every 4 years - now it’s every 3. By 2031 there will be more solar than all other power sources combined! The fastest energy change in history still underway EV’s are also growing fast. The IEA says it’s so that demand for ALL fossil fuels will peak around 2030ish - and begin to decline thereafter. Global coal demand expected to decline in coming years - News - IEA Get your superannuation out of fossil fuels - because there are going to be TRILLIONS in stranded assets when this bubble bursts!

Basically China's massive investment in wind and solar and batteries has brought the price down to the point where this thing is unstoppable - and we're going to see an oil DEMAND PEAK before an actual GEOLOGICAL PEAK. So phew - that's a relief!

So Bidenomics? The boringly named I.R.A? (Which should be called the "Make America Great Again" act!)
That's about what share of the energy pie America gets to have.

Are you going to vote for Biden so SOME American factories can make batteries, getting lithium and rare earth's from friends like my country of Australia? (The world's biggest lithium exporter). Or are you going to vote for Trump who ignores all this and just says "Drill baby drill" because it makes the less aware MAGA types cheer?

Good one Trump. Shut down IRA, dry up the funds guaranteeing some American energy security, and ACCELERATE the oil depletion and global peak oil! You'll REALLY be prepared for what's coming then!

Oh - and the greatest irony? By cheering on more drilling, and more oil use, Trump is in effect propping up the global oil price. What does that do? Only funds about half the entire RUSSIAN ECONOMY! Let alone the Middle Eastern Petro-tyrants!

If you want to bankrupt your enemies, buy an EV and cover your roof with solar and you'll massively cut your oil bill - and help bankrupt your enemies.

Vote for Kamala who will keep the IRA. It's just the sensible - patriotic thing to do!

 

[iluvatar5150]

Even if we play along with the Right's ridiculous stances towards renewables, I don't see how they don't supplant fossil fuels in most things before peak oil becomes relevant if for no other reason than they have the potential to be cheaper than fossil fuels and because they're the only way to be truly "energy independent" in a world where fossil fuels are traded on global commodity markets. 50 years is a long time for this sort of thing - there was only 54 years between Kitty Hawk and Sputnik - that assumes that those timelines even hold and that we don't develop new drilling techniques or discover new reserves.

 

[Fantine]

What do Russia, Iran and other Middle Eastern countries have in common?
One-dimensional economies based on oil.
Imagine how much less trouble Russia and Iran could make in their efforts towards world domination if their economies were struggling!
No more energy based wars! Sun and wind can't be mined! While battery components can be mined or extracted from brine, they aren't needed in the quantities of oil.
Solar energy is a blessing straight from the Creator.

 

[eclipsenow]

Even if we play along with the Right's ridiculous stances towards renewables, I don't see how they don't supplant fossil fuels in most things before peak oil becomes relevant if for no other reason than they have the potential to be cheaper than fossil fuels and because they're the only way to be truly "energy independent" in a world where fossil fuels are traded on global commodity markets. 50 years is a long time for this sort of thing - there was only 54 years between Kitty Hawk and Sputnik - that assumes that those timelines even hold and that we don't develop new drilling techniques or discover new reserves.

Yes - discovery has been declining for decades and decades while production increases.
It's an enormous story - with lots of data and suspicious and sudden oil reserves inflation from OPEC members when their production was tied to their reserves ratios. But on the other hand - tar sands and shale oil became viable (at a certain inflated price) and that price didn't end the world economy.

But that higher oil price also helps Putin maintain control of Russia while this war makes him cut back on other industries, beef up his war machine, and become even MORE dependent on the global price of oil and gas.

Imagine if that price tanked because the human race finally admitted that stuff was finite and polluting and propped up Petro-Dictators? (Let alone the FACT that from a climate point of view we cannot even burn the remaining oil - let alone the gas and coal!) Imagine if we all massively increased our production of EV's? (Which is happening, bit by bit, and will happen even faster once they reach a certain affordability threshold.)

Russia would implode.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Unfortunately, and I have had a number of conversations concerning this, the sorts of people who deny climate change are just as likely to claim that fossil fuels are not finite. The science says that the majority of our fossil fuel comes from plant matter during the Carboniferous period--a geological period literally with a name that literally means "carbon-bearing". Dead plant matter, rather than rotting, instead degenerated into carbon because of unique conditions of the period. That means virtually all fossil fuel we dig up today originated back then millions of years ago--and when it runs dry, it's gone, forever.

However, someone who rejects such science isn't going to believe the science, they aren't going to believe that fossil fuel is limited, finite, non-renewable.

Since such people comprise a sizeable proportion of the Republican base, it isn't politically advantageous for Republican politicians to make scientifically-informed policy decisions. Either because they also reject the science, or because they pander to their science-rejecting base. They also, are very likely, to benefit in the short term from the money from the wealth and from corporations that are themselves dependent on fossil fuel consumption, because short-term profit margins are more important than long-term solutions.

Without trying to be rude, thinking that the finitude of fossil fuels would be motivation toward renewable and green energy policies is, while optimistic, quite naive.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But the situation is worse than some of us think. We live in a world where, were a zombie apocalypse break out tomorrow, the powerful and the wealthy would find a way to profit off of it, keep themselves safe, and let everyone else become zombie chow.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Nithavela]

Nonsense. If eternal growth weren't possible, we wouldn't have based our entire economy on it!

 

[Fantine]

Growth needs innovation.
Flexibility.
That's why prescient scientists discovered how to harness the sun's energy.
God gave them a light bulb moment!

 

[Richard T]

You assumption that crude oil is at a high price now is misleading. Adjust the price of oil for overall inflation and you will find that crude is quite reasonably priced and less than 5 years in the 80s, and 2004-2014 was also a period where crude oil prices were higher. Natural gas prices are even far lower than most of U.S. history.

Crude Oil Prices - 70 Year Historical Chart

Interactive charts of West Texas Intermediate (WTI or NYMEX) crude oil prices per barrel back to 1946. The price of oil shown is adjusted for inflation using the headline CPI and is shown by default on a logarithmic scale. The current month is updated on an hourly basis with today's latest value.

www.macrotrends.net

Other positives for longer lasting oil supplies
More reserves are still being found. Like the 11 billion barrel estimate for Guyana that recently came on board.
Population growth is much less now and could someday go negative
Efficiencies and renewables are still making gains.

It is a great idea to reduce energy consumption. Too bad the USA spends so much money on ways that are insignificant. Yes, the democrats policies of handing out subsidies to "green" projects have a very poor track record. The GOP contributes to this too. Like rebates for electric cars, solar manufacturing companies that now are bankrupt. We are talking tens of billions of dollars and I could identify far more waste in other US Energy policies too. The Complete List of Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closures

So when democrats especially want to spend taxpayer monies for what often is useless, state subsidized interests I just vote no.

 

[johansen]

Unfortunately, and I have had a number of conversations concerning this, the sorts of people who deny climate change are just as likely to claim that fossil fuels are not finite. The science says that the majority of our fossil fuel comes from plant matter during the Carboniferous period--a geological period literally with a name that literally means "carbon-bearing". Dead plant matter, rather than rotting, instead degenerated into carbon because of unique conditions of the period. That means virtually all fossil fuel we dig up today originated back then millions of years ago--and when it runs dry, it's gone, forever.

However, someone who rejects such science isn't going to believe the science, they aren't going to believe that fossil fuel is limited, finite, non-renewable.

have you ever considered the possibility that there is enough carbon in the earth to burn up the entire atmosphere's oxygen?

mankind has only increased the percentage of co2 from 250 parts per million to 400. at 800 parts per million, the additional global warming effect stops, and additional co2 has no further effect.

in the last 150 years mankind has burnt up around a thousandth of the oxygen in the air.

we've got a long way to go.

 

[Fantine]

We aren't going to suffocate from climate change. Rising ocean temperatures will invade our land--starting with the South Sea islands.

Droughts will create food shortages.

The "climatologists" in the employ of the oil industry are lying to you--selling out.

 

[Studyman]

Even if you just cannot accept climate change - there’s another reason to get on board with the energy transition. We will RUN OUT of fossil fuels! They are finite! And even though there’s 5 TIMES too much coal left from a climate point of view - it’s not infinite. It runs out in in 135 years, oil in 50 and gas in 45. Years of fossil fuel reserves left (Data from 2020 - so I look 4 years off).

But the real crisis starts much earlier for 2 reasons:

ONE: Note the graph said “Years of global coal, oil and natural gas left, reported as the reserves-to-product (R/P) ratio which measures the number of years of production left based on known reserves and present annual production levels.”

This is a technical way of saying the 3 most deceptive words in energy reporting. “At current rates”. If you look at the history of energy since the start of the industrial revolution, there has never been such a thing for long. “At current rates” just means that year’s rates. Generally speaking, the next year they’ll need MORE energy as the world industrialises, the population rises, and we discover new exciting things to do with energy.

TWO: Resource extraction itself must peak. Basically, to mix up the metaphors - we pick all the low hanging fruit first - then have to get a ladder to climb higher and this is more tiring and uses more of the energy we want to get in the first place!
Or let’s look at oil. Like the fruit, we naturally start off with the biggest, easiest oil fields that are not too deep to drill. Some of the huge oil fields we found were truly awesome places! But as already mentioned, we use more and more each year. So those oil fields have expanded oil production for a few decades, peaked in production, and then declined. This is geology saying “You’re near the end folks!” Peak oil.

As you can see, American regular sweet crude oil peaked in the 1970's. It wasn't until both the world crude oil price had got high enough and the technology had arrived that American Fracking and Canadian Tar Sands became viable. But only at a certain higher price - which is basically the point. Peak oil is about the end of cheap oil, not the end of oil. It's about hitting the half way mark.

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Do the maths globally - and we’re somewhere near the half way mark globally - meaning the oil from here is going to be harder to drill, out in deep sea fields, more expensive, and never again meet demand!

If we don’t prepare for this - peak oil will hit first and hit hard! Imagine the panic as we realise OIL PRODUCTION WILL NEVER AGAIN MEET GLOBAL DEMAND! We are not far off that.

But fortunately fears of climate change have started the EV revolution - and now there is an alternative.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act means SO many battery factories are being built now that by 2030 America would hypothetically (as a way of illustrating the sheer quantity) be able to build 18 MILLION EVs a year! That's all your new cars and more - America buys 14 million new cars each year. Tracking the EV battery factory construction boom across North America | TechCrunch
Americans buy about 55 million cars a year but the rest are second hand. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-cars-are-sold-each-year-in-the-us.html The reality is all these batteries will be spread across various sectors - especially grid firming and backup power reserves. But you can see the potential!

Renewables are growing exponentially. Global solar capacity used to double every 4 years - now it’s every 3. By 2031 there will be more solar than all other power sources combined! The fastest energy change in history still underway EV’s are also growing fast. The IEA says it’s so that demand for ALL fossil fuels will peak around 2030ish - and begin to decline thereafter. Global coal demand expected to decline in coming years - News - IEA Get your superannuation out of fossil fuels - because there are going to be TRILLIONS in stranded assets when this bubble bursts!

Basically China's massive investment in wind and solar and batteries has brought the price down to the point where this thing is unstoppable - and we're going to see an oil DEMAND PEAK before an actual GEOLOGICAL PEAK. So phew - that's a relief!

So Bidenomics? The boringly named I.R.A? (Which should be called the "Make America Great Again" act!)
That's about what share of the energy pie America gets to have.

Are you going to vote for Biden so SOME American factories can make batteries, getting lithium and rare earth's from friends like my country of Australia? (The world's biggest lithium exporter). Or are you going to vote for Trump who ignores all this and just says "Drill baby drill" because it makes the less aware MAGA types cheer?

Good one Trump. Shut down IRA, dry up the funds guaranteeing some American energy security, and ACCELERATE the oil depletion and global peak oil! You'll REALLY be prepared for what's coming then!

Oh - and the greatest irony? By cheering on more drilling, and more oil use, Trump is in effect propping up the global oil price. What does that do? Only funds about half the entire RUSSIAN ECONOMY! Let alone the Middle Eastern Petro-tyrants!

If you want to bankrupt your enemies, buy an EV and cover your roof with solar and you'll massively cut your oil bill - and help bankrupt your enemies.

Vote for Kamala who will keep the IRA. It's just the sensible - patriotic thing to do!

You have accepted the “Fossil fuel” theory as fact. But there is another theory that both the global warming wacko’s and the Elite oil executives don’t want you to consider. Oil is an “Abiotic” energy source. It is make in the mantle of the earth through pressure and leaches towards the surface where it is trapped by various rock formations. Oil has been found deeper that any evidence of existing life forms. Methane has been found in moons that surround planets, moons where no carbon life has ever been detected.

The oil companies like the theory of a finite product and it is worth more money. The Green zealots like the finite oil theory to promote the end of oil and promote a world government where they control the energy through government.

Do your research, we should k ow by now that the media and huge corporations are liars and care not for the truth. Look into the Abiotic oil theory and their incontrovertible evidence . I lived in the 70’s when this world’s media said we would be out of oilby2010.

I am in the business and have seen companies go back into a well that were sucked dry in the 50’s that are producing again today.

Do your own research in this age of information. Don’t be indoctrinated by big oil or big greenies.

 

[johansen]

crude is quite reasonably priced and less than 5 years in the 80s, and 2004-2014 was also a period where crude oil prices were higher. Natural gas prices are even far lower than most of U.S. history.

energy has never been cheaper in mankind's entire existence, when you look at it outside the 10 year business cycle.

 

[eclipsenow]

You assumption that crude oil is at a high price now is misleading. Adjust the price of oil for overall inflation and you will find that crude is quite reasonably priced and less than 5 years in the 80s, and 2004-2014 was also a period where crude oil prices were higher. Natural gas prices are even far lower than most of U.S. history.

Why are you comparing it to the 80's when that was also a period of high inflation?
Look at the 40's and 50's! There are historical reasons it bounces around. The 1970's OPEC oil crisis (political). The crash in oil when the world stayed home (Covid pandemic.) But look at the overall trend compared to the 50's, 60's and 70's! (Forbes).

Other positives for longer lasting oil supplies
More reserves are still being found. Like the 11 billion barrel estimate for Guyana that recently came on board.

People just cannot comprehend how much oil we burn each day! It's like 1000 bathtubs a second.
World oil demand is 100 million barrels a day. 10 days is a billion barrels - so 11 billion barrels is 110 days or not even a third of a year.
We're saved!

Population growth is much less now and could someday go negative

Agreed!

Efficiencies and renewables are still making gains.

Agreed! That's why I support them! That's why I'm saying we can and will drop oil - but the question this election is will America be a part of this - or a consumer buying from China?

It is a great idea to reduce energy consumption. Too bad the USA spends so much money on ways that are insignificant. Yes, the democrats policies of handing out subsidies to "green" projects have a very poor track record.

At least it's getting things happening. Have you taken in how many new battery companies and factories are being built in America now?

The GOP contributes to this too. Like rebates for electric cars, solar manufacturing companies that now are bankrupt.

Yeah, it is hard to compete with China.
It's probably too late for American innovation to secure your own energy supplies.
If only there was a geopolitical reason to stimulate these industries at home anyway? (Oh wait... Taiwan!)

We are talking tens of billions of dollars and I could identify far more waste in other US Energy policies too.

Is that all?
How much are you topping up your military these days?

But hey - if you don't want to invest in something - you can't complain when you don't lead the way and China takes over.

 

[eclipsenow]

energy has never been cheaper in mankind's entire existence, when you look at it outside the 10 year business cycle.

Energy is a broad category. If you're taking wind and solar, I agree. If you're talking about oil - then I disagree - and the general trend the last few decades has been more expensive oil. (Of course there are also historical spikes and troughs.) But by 2030ish we should see global oil DEMAND peak - and then begin to decline. The price WILL come down. Badly, for many.

I wouldn't want my super to be in oil's stranded assets then!

 

[Hazelelponi]

I would love to point out that we have a minimum of 250 years with known supply.

As they say necessity is the mother of invention but it's ridiculous to force - 250 years in advance mind you - through regulations and price hikes, a false necessity.

We aren't there yet and there's far bigger problems right now.

We aren't anywhere close to a real alternative and in the meantime a lot can happen. Where were we 250 years ago?

People need to get a grip, the rest of us live in the real world.

 

[johansen]

there is as much gas in the ground as there is coal.
coal is carbon. gas is methane, one carbon 4 hydrogen
much of it was produced from plant and animal matter which is close to a ratio of carbon to 2 hydrogen atoms.

I would love to point out that we have a minimum of 250 years with known supply.

As they say necessity is the mother of invention but it's ridiculous to force - 250 years in advance mind you - through regulations and price hikes, a false necessity.

We aren't there yet and there's far bigger problems right now.

We aren't anywhere close to a real alternative and in the meantime a lot can happen. Where were we 250 years ago?

People need to get a grip, the rest of us live in the real world.

I don't know if we have access to that much energy but we have enough to get us past the point we need it, at some point we theoretically can transition away from burning coal and oil for energy, and just use it for manufacturing plastic and other chemicals.

It's hard to imagine now, but there may be enough copper and aluminum in the earth we can make solar powered roads that wirelessly charge the vehicles traveling on them as they are traveling. the infrastructure for this is insane but some of the major roads and highways could be converted.

I don't see energy consumption ever decreasing until the Lord comes back because one of the signs of the end was that knowledge and travel would increase. the amount of travel we do is probably inversely proportional to energy price/consumption rates.

There is another sign of the end given in a book that is considered gnostic.. but i tend to believe it:
"At the time of the end, the entire world will be in bondage, but not as in chains. they will be used to further the wealth of the kings"

That's exactly what we have now, (and they had with the romans) but globally this time: everyone is trapped in a debt backed, rigged interest rate ponzi scheme where individuals can no longer preserve intergenerational wealth unless you own enough assets to leverage debt, which means you are making wealth and preserving wealth by keeping someone else in debt to pay you interest. governments are sufficiently inefficient now, our tax rates are thus high enough such that we're not preserving wealth in families anymore. the rich vs poor divide has likely never been as great as it is now, and may get worse..

 

[Hazelelponi]

and that's exactly what we have now, but globally this time: everyone is trapped in a debt backed, rigged interest rate ponzi scheme where individuals can no longer preserve intergenerational wealth unless you own enough assets to leverage debt.

Even if you don't care about intergenerational wealth everything is so ridiculous these days. Housing costs, zoning, regulations and more..

Even if you don't care about anything more than basic survival with a few wants out of life and maybe some privacy it's difficult for kids to start anything unless they have an excellent salary.

 

[Fantine]

You have accepted the “Fossil fuel” theory as fact. But there is another theory that both the global warming wacko’s and the Elite oil executives don’t want you to consider. Oil is an “Abiotic” energy source. It is make in the mantle of the earth through pressure and leaches towards the surface where it is trapped by various rock formations. Oil has been found deeper that any evidence of existing life forms. Methane has been found in moons that surround planets, moons where no carbon life has ever been detected.

The oil companies like the theory of a finite product and it is worth more money. The Green zealots like the finite oil theory to promote the end of oil and promote a world government where they control the energy through government.

Do your research, we should k ow by now that the media and huge corporations are liars and care not for the truth. Look into the Abiotic oil theory and their incontrovertible evidence . I lived in the 70’s when this world’s media said we would be out of oilby2010.

I am in the business and have seen companies go back into a well that were sucked dry in the 50’s that are producing again today.

Do your own research in this age of information. Don’t be indoctrinated by big oil or big greenies.

The deeper you drill, the more costly the process. Sun and wind are free--except for storage.

Why pay a fortune for dirty energy when clean is cheaper?

energy has never been cheaper in mankind's entire existence, when you look at it outside the 10 year business cycle.

That doesn't contradict the truth-- the deeper you drill, the more expensive it will be.

Solar and wind are holding oil prices down. If they charged what they wanted they'd be out of business.

 

[Richard T]

Why are you comparing it to the 80's when that was also a period of high inflation?

high inflation periods count. The chart is indexed for inflation. Current oil prices are not bad at all and natural gas is cheap, cheap, cheap.
I imagine the impact of OPEC and the USA embargo is what is accounting for much of the rise of oil since the early 70s. There are currently no real word supply concerns. Opec purposely reduces output to drive up prices so the true market price is uknown.
You are right too that 11 billion barrels of new reserves is just adding 100 days of world supply. But there are other reserves coming online all the time. It is hard to know when Peak oil is going to occur. Others have been wrong.

Look at the 40's and 50's! There are historical reasons it bounces around. The 1970's OPEC oil crisis (political). The crash in oil when the world stayed home (Covid pandemic.) But look at the overall trend compared to the 50's, 60's and 70's! (Forbes).
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People just cannot comprehend how much oil we burn each day! It's like 1000 bathtubs a second.
World oil demand is 100 million barrels a day. 10 days is a billion barrels - so 11 billion barrels is 110 days or not even a third of a year.
We're saved!


At least it's getting things happening. Have you taken in how many new battery companies and factories are being built in America now?

Yes, and like the solar panels factories that are bankrupt, many of these battery companies will go under as well. Government mandates will get pushed back on EV's the demand is simply not there, it has to be forced down our throats with our own taxpayer funds.

America is in a good position with natural resources except rare earth minerals. How far that can extend into the future is unknown. It is good to warn and try to reduce natural resource depletion. I actually am fine with not drilling everything right away. Keeping oil companies off Federal lands for instance will insure there are places left to drill well into the future. That is exactly a gift that some democrats are giving. I sure would hate to see that when cars can go 100 miles on a gallon of gas that we were so short-sighted as to use up all our oil. The future is hard to predict and I am not against some restraint. A good way would not be to have government subsidize likely losers in alternative energies, but just raise gas taxes, and let the markets figure out technologies that will take us into the future. So while the sky is not falling now and we are not sure when peak oil may happen, I think we have some common ground.

 

[Studyman]

The deeper you drill, the more costly the process. Sun and wind are free--except for storage.

Clearly you do not own a solar or wind powered energy source, as most people don't who actually advocate for them. I do. And have for over 10 years. If you had put your own money where your mouth is, you would not be promoting the foolishness that wind and Solar are free. It is also clearly evident that you don't own an EV. If you did, you would know that without oil, the EV would be completely worthless, nothing more than a toy.

Why pay a fortune for dirty energy when clean is cheaper?

Natural gas is cleaner and way more economical than wind or Solar Energy. How much energy does it take to make just ONE Big Wind Generator, where does this energy come from now? How long with the Generator last? How much oil does it take to keep it running, which has to be changed once a year, according to the power grid near my home. Solar panels would have to cover most of the farm ground in my county, to supply electricity for just one mid-sized town. And even then, folks would be forced into rationing during the winter months of most States in the US and Canada.

A big natural gas well will produce gas for 30 to 50 years with enough energy to supply electricity to 10 times the number of Homes, for 1/3 of the investment. How do I know? Because I am in the energy business and have been for 40 years. I have spent more money on solar that many pay for their homes. I wanted it to be efficient. I wanted it to be economical. Fools and ideological idiots all promote that it is all of these things. But they are ignorant. Something they would find out real quick if they risked their own dime.

That doesn't contradict the truth-- the deeper you drill, the more expensive it will be.

The point about Deep oil and deep gas, was to expose the LIE that oil and gas are "fossil fuels". Both oil and gas rise to the top of water. There is a lot of Oil and gas found deeper than any life existed, which simply means oil is created in the mantle. Like with many things, this world's elites, like Rockefeller and Bill gates, have scammed the populace to increase their wealth.

Solar and wind are holding oil prices down. If they charged what they wanted they'd be out of business.

Complete foolishness. There is more wind and Solar power projects on this planet than have ever existed in the history of the world. Wind power is not possible without oil and lots of it. How much concrete is poured for the average Wind generator? How much farmland is destroyed for Solar arrays even now? These scammers will continue to scam as long as the Government subsidizes them. When that stops, the scam is over.

If renewable energy brought oil prices down in California, why is gas so high there, higher than it was when they had no or way less than 1,200 wind generators?

Why is Oil 75$ a barrel today, when it was under 20 when Trump was President, and they had way less wind generation?

Look, I get the social media and the fake news and all. But really, instead of just allowing an ideology to indoctrinate you, why not research with an unbiased mind, what is really happening and why?

And if you are smart, you will never spend 40 grand on an energy source, that can't even provide sustained power for a two-bedroom home.

Please forgive my harshness. I get frustrated listening to folks who talk about a subject that they know less than nothing about, and what they do know, is foolishness.