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<blockquote data-quote="Econ4every1" data-source="post: 71995344" data-attributes="member: 404044"><p>I don't disagree with (almost) anything you've said, and to read what you've written, I can help but chuckle. Without trying to sound condescending, if I found everything you wrote in response to on some other website dated 2007 with my screen name on it, I'd believe I wrote it (I'm about 10 years your Sr btw, not that it matters, just ironic).</p><p></p><p>But, let me play devil's advocate for you in order to (if you agree) shore up your defense of morality.</p><p></p><p>I will start out by saying I think you are mistaken about one thing. Morality <em>is </em>subjective. I'll not only defend that position, but I'll tell you why it's ok. Why it doesn't weaken your argument, especially when discussing this with our Christian friends.</p><p></p><p>I think you'd agree that virtually everyone prefers to avoid pain suffering and sickness and wants to experience happiness, health, and well-being.</p><p></p><p>But what if I derive pleasure from the act of cutting myself?</p><p></p><p>There are people who are addicted to eating non-foods. It's called Pica. Now eating paper probably won't hurt you, but some people eat laundry detergent or cornstarch.</p><p></p><p>They experience eating those things, which are clearly bad for them as pleasure, how might you reconcile that?</p><p></p><p>What about the pleasure derived from hurting others?</p><p></p><p>You might say that hurts social cohesion, but what if I can do it in a way that no one ever sees? The old "what if a doctor knocks out his patient and fondles them while they are asleep". Is that immoral?</p><p></p><p>What if I hurt animals for pleasure and not people....How could you call that immoral (assuming you do)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Econ4every1, post: 71995344, member: 404044"] I don't disagree with (almost) anything you've said, and to read what you've written, I can help but chuckle. Without trying to sound condescending, if I found everything you wrote in response to on some other website dated 2007 with my screen name on it, I'd believe I wrote it (I'm about 10 years your Sr btw, not that it matters, just ironic). But, let me play devil's advocate for you in order to (if you agree) shore up your defense of morality. I will start out by saying I think you are mistaken about one thing. Morality [I]is [/I]subjective. I'll not only defend that position, but I'll tell you why it's ok. Why it doesn't weaken your argument, especially when discussing this with our Christian friends. I think you'd agree that virtually everyone prefers to avoid pain suffering and sickness and wants to experience happiness, health, and well-being. But what if I derive pleasure from the act of cutting myself? There are people who are addicted to eating non-foods. It's called Pica. Now eating paper probably won't hurt you, but some people eat laundry detergent or cornstarch. They experience eating those things, which are clearly bad for them as pleasure, how might you reconcile that? What about the pleasure derived from hurting others? You might say that hurts social cohesion, but what if I can do it in a way that no one ever sees? The old "what if a doctor knocks out his patient and fondles them while they are asleep". Is that immoral? What if I hurt animals for pleasure and not people....How could you call that immoral (assuming you do)? [/QUOTE]
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