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<blockquote data-quote="Econ4every1" data-source="post: 71991521" data-attributes="member: 404044"><p>If you agree that morality is based on the values a culture holds, then morality doesn't inform our actions, <strong>our values do.</strong></p><p></p><p>The next logical question is, why does a culture hold certain values and not others?</p><p></p><p>Is morally really simply self-serving within a culture? What does it mean when an individual or group has the strength to do what might feel best but <em>chooses </em>not to.</p><p></p><p>For example (I could potentially enrage a few women here), I'd argue that women have rights because as our society has matured, men in our past have seen the advantage of incorporating women into society and extending them rights because of what they have to offer (I'm not suggesting it was always easy or unanimous or that it all happened at once). That is a choice based on collective values. Individually it would be easier and perhaps more gratifying (on a more primitive level) to subjugate woman (and indeed we still see this in much of the world)...But if we look at large cultures, we find that those that extend rights to women are more advanced by virtually every measure.</p><p></p><p>The point I'm making is, evidence shows that if you value an advanced, more productive, freer, more just culture, then you should value the rights of women.</p><p></p><p>Values lead to specific outcomes that can be measured. Thus if you value a certain outcome, then there are right ways and wrong ways to go when trying to achieve that outcome.</p><p></p><p><strong>Thus values are the foundation</strong> upon which a society creates a moral framework, not the other way around.</p><p></p><p>With respect to my Christian friends, I believe that organized religions all over the world have learned this through thousands of years of experience. Religions have indoctrinated certain values and proclaimed them moral. The ones we see across most religions are the ones that tend to be universal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Econ4every1, post: 71991521, member: 404044"] If you agree that morality is based on the values a culture holds, then morality doesn't inform our actions, [B]our values do.[/B] The next logical question is, why does a culture hold certain values and not others? Is morally really simply self-serving within a culture? What does it mean when an individual or group has the strength to do what might feel best but [I]chooses [/I]not to. For example (I could potentially enrage a few women here), I'd argue that women have rights because as our society has matured, men in our past have seen the advantage of incorporating women into society and extending them rights because of what they have to offer (I'm not suggesting it was always easy or unanimous or that it all happened at once). That is a choice based on collective values. Individually it would be easier and perhaps more gratifying (on a more primitive level) to subjugate woman (and indeed we still see this in much of the world)...But if we look at large cultures, we find that those that extend rights to women are more advanced by virtually every measure. The point I'm making is, evidence shows that if you value an advanced, more productive, freer, more just culture, then you should value the rights of women. Values lead to specific outcomes that can be measured. Thus if you value a certain outcome, then there are right ways and wrong ways to go when trying to achieve that outcome. [B]Thus values are the foundation[/B] upon which a society creates a moral framework, not the other way around. With respect to my Christian friends, I believe that organized religions all over the world have learned this through thousands of years of experience. Religions have indoctrinated certain values and proclaimed them moral. The ones we see across most religions are the ones that tend to be universal. [/QUOTE]
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