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Another Flood Question

FrumiousBandersnatch

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The key word is 'significant' - Earth's rotation certainly does make a difference relative to a non-rotating frame, but it's a very small difference. The Hafele–Keating experiment results were measured in nanoseconds. The total isn't likely to amount to 1 part in a billion over the lifetime of the Earth (4.5 billion years) even if you include gravitational time dilation.
 
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I agree. "I do not seek to understand so that I may believe, but I believe so that I may understand." (Anselm of Canterbury)
 
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But that atomic clock is slowing, just like those clocks on the airplane slowed.

So now you are pretending to understand physics?

Amazing...

Can't wait to hear about qantas entanglement and the Bozeman-Einstein condensate...
 
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There is more evidence than just genesis. There's more accounts. There is even, dare I say, scientific evidence of said event.

Why do you dare say something that is false?

There is evidence of a large global extinction event and accounts of a flood that did it, but scientists are like, "Nah. It didn't happen."

Wow it is totally like none of us have ever heard or read such unsupported assertions before....

Followed by the requisite...

You still have a chance to believe in the God that believes in you so much and loves you so much, that he decided to make you.


... question begging...
 
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Are you listening to yourself? If the strata is not uniform, then index fossils found in specific strata could not be used to date other strata, unless the strata was uniform and in a consistent order.

so, here we have you unwittingly admitting that you don't know what index fossils are, despite having linked to a definition.
Um...


So, despite linking to and quoting a definition of index fossils, you still think it is about identifying a specific uniform world-wide stratum...


Do you think that different strata can be contemporaneous?

Still waiting for you legitimate explanation as to where the "allies" and "genetic strains" for the original Asian and African "phonetic traits" came from.
 
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Every planet and moon in the solar system is pockmarked with craters from pole to pole. Ever wonder why the earth only has a few?

I did when I was in like 5th grade.

Then I learned about things like weathering and erosion.

You?

Oh yes, I’m waiting for the inadequate claim of weathering now. And some on earth has been weathered. But actually look at the numbers found on every planet and moon but earth.

Inadequate?

Hmmm.

So tell me all about the erosion and weathering on the moon.

Where will be the evidence of hurricane Harvey in 10 years? Non-existent, that’s where.

Was Harvey a world-wide phenomenon that lasted a year?

I never said otherwise, but I still don't think you know why that is, nor why we don't find fossils in volcanic rock (hint: it is like totally hot).


Still waiting for your 'genetic strain' evidence - how do we get genetic strain G/H when the ONLY ones we started with were A/A?
 
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I see.

But that is not what the quote says.

Is it?

Those rocks - are they only Precambrian, or are those SPECIFIC rock types dated to be Precambrian in those areas?

Because if one looks at the desription of, say, pegmatitie, , one sees nothing about Precambrian strata.

I think that you understand as much geology as you do genetics.



just one more comment before I have to leave for the day -



I should have known that even with my lead-ins this would fly over your head.
 
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There is evidence for five major and scores of minor extinction events, none of which were caused by a flood. That is why scientists reject it.
 
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Solar neutrinos have nothing to do with it, which is their problem in the first place, they are looking in the wrong place.

And now to that 65,000 years add the slowing of clocks from the earths rotation, since airplanes traveling at a mere few hundred miles per hour faster have their clocks affected. Then add the slowing from the earth in its curved trajectory around the sun at 30 km/s. Then add the slowing of clocks from the suns curved trajectory around the galaxy at 77,000 km/s. Then add the slowing from the galaxies velocity through space of over 800,000 km/s. Then add the slowing from what is unknown to either of us, the velocity of the local galactic group through space.

Although if you accept Relativity, which apparently you don’t, since your arguing against one of its main postulates, we can assume we have the same velocity as those high redshifted galaxies with a velocity of fractions of that of c.

Why do you keep ignoring all the other velocities affecting earths clocks? The Perdue study was just to show they aren’t even stable to begin with, from causes other than velocity. Was irrelevant to the discussion of velocity and it’s affects on clocks.
 
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There is evidence for five major and scores of minor extinction events, none of which were caused by a flood. That is why scientists reject it.
And yet almost every fossil found was found in sedimentary rocks..... They simply reject it because of the implications to the frequency of global floods....
 
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So what? 'we' haven't travelled 13 billion light years - the Earth is 'only' 4.5 billion years old, and in any case, we're not measuring age compared to the furthest galaxy we can observe.
Except the material that formed the earth traveled that far to get where it is at, yes?

And according to Relativity, one can consider our galaxy to be traveling at the same velocity as any galaxy, which redshift indicates fractions of the velocity of light. In Relativity, one can not say with certainty which object possesses the velocity, but must instead presume it is either one.
 
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Except they continued to slow their entire journey. The results are an average for the entire experiment. Meaning had the continued the experiment for one year, the results would have continued to deviate at an exponential rate.

But then you are still ignoring the affect of the earths speed around the sun at 30 km/s. The affect of the suns speed around the galaxy at 77,000 km/s. The galaxies speed through space of over 800,000 km/s. And the big unknown of the local galactic group through space.

But Relativity also demands that we must consider our velocity the same as those high redshifted galaxies which are fractions of c.
 
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So now you are pretending to understand physics?

Amazing...

Can't wait to hear about qantas entanglement and the Bozeman-Einstein condensate...
The Bozeman-Einstein condensate along with quantum entanglement, has what to do with the slowing of clocks except your attempt to ignore them?
 
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False. Jupiter's moons Io and Europa aren't cratered, and Ganymede is only partially cratered, as is Venus.
Which was why I brought craters up. You understand gelogical processes can hide large scale events on other planets and moons that lasted millions of years, yet refuse to consider those same gelogical processes can hide evidence of the last flood, even if it only lasted a year. Just doing a contradiction check....
 
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I did when I was in like 5th grade.

Then I learned about things like weathering and erosion.

You?
I am glad you agree that weathering and erosion can hide large scale events. But my contradiction check has failed to make you see your own contradiction, by refusing to apply those same weathering and erosion events to evidence of the last global flood....


Inadequate?

Hmmm.

So tell me all about the erosion and weathering on the moon.
You tell me since we see billions of craters. Apply your own reasoning to geological evidence to a global flood.


Was Harvey a world-wide phenomenon that lasted a year?
Nope, but apparently cratering which lasted millions can disappear under weathering and erosion, but other large scale events only lasting a year can’t. There’s that contradiction going on in your mind again.

I never said otherwise, but I still don;t think you know why that is, nor why we don;t find fossils in volcanic rock (hint: it is like totally hot).
Hot really? I never would of guessed. But all others are found in sedimentary rocks.....

Still waiting for your 'genetic strain' evidence - how do we get genetic strain G/H when the ONLY ones we started with were A/A?
Still waiting for why we only start with A/A.
 
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The video is pseudoscience. The airplane where we actually performed tests with clocks did not turn around.
The turn-around is relevant because it's the significantly non-inertial part of the journey (deceleration followed by acceleration). The aircraft were continually in a non-inertial frame (the acceleration of a curved trajectory).

You're welcome to your views. I prefer to accept papers and videos made by, or under the supervision of, leading physicists working in the field, as the best take on current knowledge in the field.
 
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Just doing a contradiction check....
Making a false statement.

You understand gelogical processes can hide large scale events on other planets and moons, yet refuse to consider those same gelogical processes can hide evidence of the last flood
Evidence of a global flood might be eroded away in some places, but would leave consistent traces globally - as is the case for the world-wide layer of iridium-enriched clay resulting from the Chicxulub impact 66 million years ago. There are plenty of craters on Earth, but most are not as easy to spot as Meteor Crater, Arizona:
 
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From any reference frame.

He thinks he is stationary and the stationary twin in motion, but we know the stationary twin is stationary.
He knows he has accelerated, and he also sees his twin's clock run slow, so he knows they're no longer stationary relative to each other. The other twin sees him accelerate and he also sees his twin's clock run slow, so he knows they're no longer stationary relative to each other.

The stay-at-home twin is only stationary with regard to observers sharing his frame. The same can be said of the travelling twin in his frame. The difference between them is the accelerations/decelerations (same thing) of the travelling twin.

Neither of them are wrong in their measurements, any more than observers in relative motion who disagree on the simultaneity of two events are wrong. For one the events are simultaneous, for the other they're not.

There is no preferred frame.

He thinks his clocks haven’t changed at all, yet his clocks did change. Just like you are thinking yours haven’t changed.
I'm aware my clocks will run slow to observers moving relative to me (and vice versa). I'm also aware that if I accelerate away from a comoving companion then return, my clock will show less elapsed time than theirs.
 
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