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Another belief I struggle with within the SDA

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Maco,

Why have you told them that believing in Mrs. White is required to be a member of the SDA church? Every congregation has somewhat different baptismal vows but it is by no means a requirement that one must believe this! Even she made the statement that believing in her prophetic gift should be used as a condition of becoming a member of the SDA family!
 
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note that they are speaking of church membership and not baptism. To believe in the SOP is not a "salvation" issue that one must hold to be saved, it is only in the belief in Jesus as your savior.

 
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There are Adventist pastors who will baptize people who are not going to join the SDA church. You might need to search one out for your ministry. You are right that there is no Biblical call as to who can baptize someone else. I think any believer can do it but in your situation in a prison ministry it is probably best to use an officially recognized pastor to do the baptizing.
 
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Loveaboveall,

Did you mean to say should, or should not?

Annie
 
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Loveaboveall,

Did you mean to say should, or should not?

Annie

Hi Annie,

Its the fact that the SDA has Ellen White as its Prophet, not that you have to believe in her.

I struggle with receiving her as a prophet but I was told I did't need to believe in her to become a member of the SDA. That was a relief because the SDA has a lot of truth in it. So I was baptized about a year ago only to learn that it was a play of words. You don't have to believe in her to become a member but you will have to as time goes on. Their feelings are that someone would not be able to read all her writing before they got baptized but they expect you to read them sometime after your baptism and believe.

John
 
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Annie,

Thankyou for pointing out my error in spelling!

Maco,

What you must understand is not that you have to believe in Mrs. White as a prophet. As and adventist you should understand that all of our doctrines are biblically based, not White based. If you do not believe this than why did you join the SDA church? I am not in any way asking you to leave just asking a question. If you do in fact believe that all of our doctrines are biblically based then why do you have a problem with SDA's who believe in Mrs. White as a prophet when she points us to the bible?

I have the sneaking suspicion however that you are under the impression that several of our doctrines are not biblical, i.e. Temperance. Try as Doc has urged you to do and post in the main forum there you will find many more people who can discuss this with you!

Have you read any of Mrs. White's books? I am asking honestly. If you have not I would urge you to, maybe start with Steps to Christ or Desire of Ages.
 
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It should be noted that there is only ONE way to become a Seventh day Adventist ....

It is by receiving at least 50% of the popular vote of those who happen to be in attendance on a particular sabbath morning. It simply does not matter that an SDA Pastor has baptized you. He does not have the power to grant you membership. Neither does the baptism according to SDA rules. It is kind of like a Club. You could call it Club Adventist.

In the end ... it does not matter WHO baptized you. What matters is that you receive 50% of the vote.
 
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This practice of the SDA church is flat out wrong and comes from the time when many thought that we were the only remnant church.

JM
 
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Do only preachers baptize people in the Adventist faith? Or can any believer baptize people?

Biblically speaking ... anyone can baptize. SDA speaking ... it is "usually" done by a Pastor. This is done so that the Pastor can sit in judgment of the person's good works. For instance .... I have personally witnessed a Pastor deny baptism to someone who had a smoking or drinking problem. And the drinking problem can just be drinking tea or coffee. Ellen White stated that drinking coffee is a "sin". So ... this has long been an SDA tradition. And the Pastors like to look for sin in those who would want to come to Christ.

The Bible says to come to Christ as you are. But the SDA church says to come AFTER you have victory over certain sins.

Don't get me wrong. I am a faithful SDA. My spouse is an SDA Pastor. But this church does have a few bad traditions.
 
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Upon reflection I don't see how baptism can be a requirement in today's society. It is a holdover from ancient days. This is not the way we join groups today. I have no problems if someone wants to participate in an ancient practice but it has no relevance to their eternal destiny. Jesus saved the worlds before we were baptized.
 
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I suspect the reason why baptism = membership of said church (I assume other churches operate the same way?) churches are defending their territory. In the NT model the then apostolic church was the only Christian church in town. Now we have so many different Christian denominations. Do we really think a church is going to baptise someone and then expect him or her to go to another denomination down the road and lose the potential tithes and offerings er I mean lose that person? I think people should choose to be either baptisef into Chrisitianity or baptised into Adventism. But because we have a 'We are the remnant' mindset we are not going to change our modus operandi when it comes to baptism.
 
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My question to you would be do you partake of communion? It is just an ancient practice. Also, I would ask what was the purpose of Jesus' baptism?
 
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My question to you would be do you partake of communion? It is just an ancient practice. Also, I would ask what was the purpose of Jesus' baptism?
Your question assumes that I believe that it is wrong to get baptized. I clearly said that individuals have the right to reproduce any ancient ritual they choose to replicate.
 
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Your post does not say it is wrong to be baptized but it surely does imply that it may not be necessary. Wow! I don't see how anyone can say that baptism is not necessary.

But you did not answer my question about communion or about Jesus' baptism.
 
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