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Annulment and mental illness

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My wife has a mental illness.

In our marriage vows, we promised to look after each other in sickness and in health. Usually, I would assume somebody with a mental illness should be treated as fairly as somebody with any other health condition.

What happens though if the illness leads to behavior that undermines other essential components of the marriage? For example, a spouse who simply can't be trusted with money or never acts as a team player.

What happens if the victim of such an illness just can't cope with marriage and doesn't view it in an adult way? She sees having children as an inconvenience rather than a fundamental aim of a marriage. She has been putting it off for years now.

What happens if the victim of such an illness has a history of self-harm from long before the relationship and marriage? Is this a likely or even certain grounds for annulment?

My wife has been to various therapists and even some of them were completely unable to help her, so how can I, as a husband with my own job to do? I committed to marriage with the aim of raising a family, not to be a babysitter.

Her parents are divorced and she always talks about divorce or running away. Up to now, I've always supported her 100% and told her divorce is not an option. Next time she brings this up I would like to call her bluff and tell her that either she goes ahead with a divorce and annulment or she commits 100% to the marriage and having children, no more living in limbo.

I contacted the diocese about annulment and they told me we have to have a civil divorce first. Why? If we aren't granted the annulment, we would both be stuck in limbo and my wife would be even more traumatized. Wouldn't it be better to have a clear answer from the church at the same time as completing the legal formalities so we can both move on?

As part of a civil divorce, can I ask my wife to sign a letter consenting to an annulment?

Can anybody provide tips about what sort of evidence I should try to collect to support a claim for annulment? I looked through some old correspondence from prior to the marriage and found several things where she wrote that she wanted to get away from her family and I feel this may be evidence that she didn't view the marriage sincerely.
 

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talk to your priest about this. There are papers that he has access to which detail the questions that the anulment process will raise. there are also specific pre-existing conditions that the members of the tribunal would be looking into towards granting the anulment, so the more you know going forward, the better prepared you will be.

There is one other consideration.
If after the divorce is finalized, you decide not to marry again, but to live a celibate life, you would not have to go through the anulment process. Instead you would be considered as still married by the Church, but living separately.
 
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I spoke to the annulment office at the diocese, they said they couldn't really help at all unless we have a civil divorce first. Divorce and annulment are really big decisions and I would like to have all the necessary information in front of me to make informed decisions and I really feel the church treats us like children and keeps us in the dark.
 
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Also, why do you think I should choose a celibate life? Do you think I'm not good enough to be a parent or God doesn't want me to have children?

no, i'm just saying that it is an option available. Otherwise after a divorce is obtained then you would have to go through the anulment process. And that could take an additional 2-3 years after the divorce is obtained.

So grand total you might be looking at 4 years before you would be free to marry and have the marriage recognized by the church. And that's 4 years of no Eucharest.
 
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Because you want to do the right thing. Talk to a priest.
I couldn't have possibly done any more to support my wife in all the years we have been married, the marriage counselor and various therapists have said the same thing. Why would the church turn its back on me and why should I feel any guilt receiving the Eucharist?
 
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I understand--you want a guarantee that your marriage ceremony had an impediment before you seek a civil divorce (preceding an annulment).

It seems as if your wife's acts of self-harm prior to your marriage was an indicator of her mental illness. Unwilingness to have children is, I believe, also an impediment to marriage. Catholic marriage vows allude to accepting children lovingly.

Sometimes you need to step out in faith. You've read up on impediments to marriage, and it seems to you as if there were several. There is no reason to doubt that the church will think differently--even though there are no guarantees.
 
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I couldn't have possibly done any more to support my wife in all the years we have been married, the marriage counselor and various therapists have said the same thing. Why would the church turn its back on me and why should I feel any guilt receiving the Eucharist?

agreed, which is why the anulment is ultimately the way to go in this case.
the church is not turning it's back on you. In fact they will walk you through the process.
but it takes a while to get through.

and the church does not recognize divorce.

thus the need for the anulment of the first marriage, which declares that the determining factors on both sides of the marriage that make a marriage were not present at the marriage itself. thus there was no marriage to begin with.

but until the anulment is declared in the eyes of the church you are still married.
and that's why the church cannot recognize divorced and remarried Catholics.
because unless the original marriage was anuled, the second marriage could not take place, lest the two parties to the second marriage each be considered adulters and/or bigamists.
 
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If the church does not recognize divorce, why does it require one (a civil divorce) before allowing the annulment process to begin?
Because it is the law of the land. It is a legal binding contract. You got to take care of that first before the Church steps in. It's common sense.
 
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Because it is the law of the land. It is a legal binding contract. You got to take care of that first before the Churcb steps in. It's common sense.

Every country has laws, the church does not usually recognize them if they are at odds with Christian teaching, so why choose to recognize that there is civil divorce?

For example, many countries have laws permitting abortion now but doctors and medical professionals who follow church teaching often choose to discourage their patients from considering such options, even though the law permits it.
 
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Completely different thing. The Catholic Church obeys the laws of the land and does recognize them. It may not agree with said laws such as abortion and discourages those laws and people taking advantage of them. But you cannot annul a legal marriage neither partner has bothered to absolve legally. You don't have those legal papers you don't get an annulment. Seriously, you should know this stuff because it is common sense. Talk to a priest.
Every country has laws, the church does not usually recognize them if they are at odds with Christian teaching, so why choose to recognize that there is civil divorce?

For example, many countries have laws permitting abortion now but doctors and medical professionals who follow church teaching often choose to discourage their patients from considering such options, even though the law permits it.
 
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The Church could not be any clearer on the matter. You did not go into this blindly did you? What did you have to do before being married in the Church?
I spoke to the annulment office at the diocese, they said they couldn't really help at all unless we have a civil divorce first. Divorce and annulment are really big decisions and I would like to have all the necessary information in front of me to make informed decisions and I really feel the church treats us like children and keeps us in the dark.
 
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Also, why do you think I should choose a celibate life? Do you think I'm not good enough to be a parent or God doesn't want me to have children?
How would we know that?
 
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The Church has not turned it's back on you. You just seem to not want a legal divorce. Which is odd. Or follow the instructions of the Church. Odd as well.
I couldn't have possibly done any more to support my wife in all the years we have been married, the marriage counselor and various therapists have said the same thing. Why would the church turn its back on me and why should I feel any guilt receiving the Eucharist?
 
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agreed.
unless there are mitigating circumstances most Catholic churches ask the couple to commit to 6 months of marriage prep classes. So the question here is how did you go through 6 months of marriage prep and raise no red flags in the mind of the priest about your pending marriage?
 
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She sees having children as an inconvenience rather than a fundamental aim of a marriage. She has been putting it off for years now.

Talk to your priest.
 
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