Anglican Church?

[Hoonbaba]

Hey guys,

I was doing some reading and I discovered that  Eastern Orthodoxy is in full communion with Roman Catholics, and so a Catholic can go to an Orthodox parish and partake in Communion and such.  I hear that EWTN radio occasionally broadcasts mass and worship from Orthodox services

But I'm curious to know:  What about the Anglican Church?  I did a search on google.com and I came across a bunch of sites that say something like 'anglican catholic'.  Can anyone explain what this means?

God bless!

-Jason

 

[nyj]

When the Anglican Church split from Rome, they claimed that there were three branches of the "Catholic" Church. 1)Roman Catholic, 2)Orthodox and 3)Anglo-Catholics. The one problem with this is the fact that the Catholic Church has NEVER called HERSELF "Roman Catholic" unless it is specifically referring to the Diocese of Rome.

Second, the fact that the Anglican church has ordained women has put a severe roadblock on the possibility that the Catholic and Anglican faiths will eventually come into full communion. The Pope has said as much and lamented the fact when this change was ratified.

Third, the Catholic and Orthodox faiths are NOT in full communion. However, they both recognize the licitness of the Mass and Divine Liturgies of the other. However, if a Catholic can attend a Catholic Mass and instead refuse it for an Orthodox Liturgy, it is a sin.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Originally posted by nyj
When the Anglican Church split from Rome, they claimed that there were three branches of the "Catholic" Church. 1)Roman Catholic, 2)Orthodox and 3)Anglo-Catholics. The one problem with this is the fact that the Catholic Church has NEVER called HERSELF "Roman Catholic" unless it is specifically referring to the Diocese of Rome.

Second, the fact that the Anglican church has ordained women has put a severe roadblock on the possibility that the Catholic and Anglican faiths will eventually come into full communion. The Pope has said as much and lamented the fact when this change was ratified.

Third, the Catholic and Orthodox faiths are NOT in full communion. However, they both recognize the licitness of the Mass and Divine Liturgies of the other. However, if a Catholic can attend a Catholic Mass and instead refuse it for an Orthodox Liturgy, it is a sin.

Hmm..that's interesting.  I guess I should've been careful with the word 'full'.  In anycase, those of Eastern Orthodoxy can attend a Catholic mass and partake in the eucharist, correct?

Would it be a sin for an Eastern Orthodox to refuse Orthodox liturgy for Catholic mass, assuming he/she can attend an Eastern Orthodox service?  Just wondering

God bless!

-Jason

 

[nyj]

Originally posted by Hoonbaba
Would it be a sin for an Eastern Orthodox to refuse Orthodox liturgy for Catholic mass, assuming he/she can attend an Eastern Orthodox service?  Just wondering

First, just a minor point, I'm not sure there is such a thing as "Eastern Orthodoxy". The "Orthodox Church" suffers from what I term "nationalism"... ergo, you have Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc. but I have never heard of Eastern Orthodox (unless you refer to the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church). Second, as for sins for the Orthodox, I'm not sure, you'd have to ask them... but I doubt you'll ever find a member of the Orthodox faith going to a Catholic Mass, and if you do, it'd be extremely rare. Most of them still don't forgive us for the sacking of Constantinople.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Originally posted by nyj
First, just a minor point, I'm not sure there is such a thing as "Eastern Orthodoxy". The "Orthodox Church" suffers from what I term "nationalism"... ergo, you have Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc. but I have never heard of Eastern Orthodox (unless you refer to the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church). Second, as for sins for the Orthodox, I'm not sure, you'd have to ask them... but I doubt you'll ever find a member of the Orthodox faith going to a Catholic Mass, and if you do, it'd be extremely rare. Most of them still don't forgive us for the sacking of Constantinople.

Hi NYJ,

I was thinking of this particular scenario:

If a persecuted Catholic (like in China for example) wanted to go to a parish to worship, if the believer couldn't go to a Catholic parish, yet an Orthodox parish was readily available, it wouldn't be considered a sin for that Catholic to go to an Orthodox parish, would it?

I get some feeling, this is a ridiculous question

God bless!

-Jason

 

[jukesk9]

Originally posted by nyj
Second, the fact that the Anglican church has ordained women has put a severe roadblock on the possibility that the Catholic and Anglican faiths will eventually come into full communion. The Pope has said as much and lamented the fact when this change was ratified. 

I think nyj has said it all in answering your question, Jason.  I want to add to the above quote.  The Catholic Church recognized the Anglican Church's orders of Apostolic Succession as valid until women were ordained.  It would be very hard, if and when the two churches ever come into full communion, to trace back to an unbroken line of Apostolic Succession within the Anglican Church since the ordination of women, which I believe has been going on for over sixty years (1942 in Hong Kong).  The unbroken line would stop when a woman is ordained to the priesthood. That causes a problem with the administration of the Sacraments, which can not be properly done without a valid priest, bishop, etc. 

 

[isshinwhat]

Tha Catholic Church will allow Orthodox Christians to partake of Communion with the permission of the priest, if there is no Orthodox Parish nearby, and the Catholic Church permits her adherents to partake in the opposite situation. BUT, the Orthodox Church generally won't allow their faithful to participate in the Eucharist in a Catholic Church. I don't know about a Catholic taking Communion in an Orthodox Church. I know it's okay on the Catholic Church's end, if it is necessary, but I don't know if the Orthodox will allow it.

Neal

 

[Hoonbaba]

Originally posted by jukesk9
I think nyj has said it all in answering your question, Jason.  I want to add to the above quote.  The Catholic Church recognized the Anglican Church's orders of Apostolic Succession as valid until women were ordained.  It would be very hard, if and when the two churches ever come into full communion, to trace back to an unbroken line of Apostolic Succession within the Anglican Church since the ordination of women, which I believe has been going on for over sixty years (1942 in Hong Kong).  The unbroken line would stop when a woman is ordained to the priesthood. That causes a problem with the administration of the Sacraments, which can not be properly done without a valid priest, bishop, etc. 

Hi Jukesk9,

I know this may sound like a silly question, but what's the big deal of ordination of women?  I'm completely ignorant of the entire issue.

-Jason

 

[Avila]

Interesting discussion! In a local parish (about 60 minute drive from here), there is an Orthodox nun. She doesn't have a car, so she can only make it to one of the Orthodox parishes down here on the rare occasion. She regularly attends mass at a Catholic parish close to her, however. Everyone seems to be cool with the situation. I know that is a rare circumstance, but I think it is really cool.

 

[jukesk9]

Jason,

The big deal over the ordination of women is that the priest acts as Christ's representative celebrating Mass and when administering the Sacraments. Christ is masculine therefore the Church doesn't ordain women. Another reason the Church doesn't ordain women is that none of the Apostles were female.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Originally posted by jukesk9
Jason,

The big deal over the ordination of women is that the priest acts as Christ's representative celebrating Mass and when administering the Sacraments. Christ is masculine therefore the Church doesn't ordain women. Another reason the Church doesn't ordain women is that none of the Apostles were female.

Wow...somehow I COMPLETELY missed that......priest acting as Christ's representative....

Thanks for sharing

-jason